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Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:35 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:35 pm to RD Dawg
Impossible? Our former safety was running with the WR and somehow was in position to catch the ball. It's called adjusting to the poor throw.
Besides, the bounce in itself going exactly where it went was pure luck. All deflection plays are pure luck. Ole miss had one vs bama last year.
Besides, the bounce in itself going exactly where it went was pure luck. All deflection plays are pure luck. Ole miss had one vs bama last year.
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Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:43 pm to djsdawg
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This is a load of shite. Louis never even went for the ball to begin with. A good WR would have challenged the db's for the ball.
Yes, he should have...but he didn't give up on the play, either, which was more my point. He could have assumed it was an interception or an incompletion and slowed down. He was still in position. I've seen many...MANY WRs give up on plays, or start jogging. I played WR, and it really isn't that uncommon to make a play look good while giving up on it.
Take a good look at the play:
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Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:44 pm to DawgsLife
I'm thinking about RA'ing for posting that link.
Should be forbidden permanently IMO!!
Should be forbidden permanently IMO!!
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:45 pm to DawgsLife
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He could have assumed it was an interception or an incompletion and slowed down.
Taht would have put him in better position. He kept running and was WAY behind the play. That's not good coaching or decision making, it's shitty play on his part.
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He was still in position
He was only "in position" because of the lucky fluke bounce the ball took that landed in his hands. AGain, that is 100% pure luck.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:47 pm to WG_Dawg
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He was just running as far as he could, he didn't do shite to make a play on teh ball.
Actually, no. The ball was thrown in front of him. Marshall threw the ball as far as he could and hoped Louis could catch up to the pass. Our DBs were in perfect position to make the play. When they tipped the ball he ran past them and the ball went straight to hi. had he slacked off he would never have made the play. Check out my link in the other post.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:50 pm to djsdawg
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Besides, the bounce in itself going exactly where it went was pure luck. All deflection plays are pure luck. Ole miss had one vs bama last year.
True, and I agree with you. BUT, my point is, if he had given up on the play it would never have happened.
Was it lucky? Most assuredly. However, he made the luck. Had he given up and slowed down he would not have made the play.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:51 pm to WG_Dawg
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'm thinking about RA'ing for posting that link.
Should be forbidden permanently IMO!!
It would be hard for me to complain if you did. I really hated doing it.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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Taht would have put him in better position. He kept running and was WAY behind the play. That's not good coaching or decision making, it's shitty play on his part.
I guess that is the difference in perception. My perception is that the ball was tipped forward and he ran under it. Luck? yes. That isn't the argument, IMO. My argument is had he given up the ball would have gone forward and he would have lagged backward. (If that makes sense)
Posted on 7/24/16 at 12:53 pm to DawgsLife
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have...but he didn't give up on the play, either, which was more my point. He could have assumed it was an interception or an incompletion and slowed down. He was still in position. I've seen many...MANY WRs give up on plays, or start jogging. I played WR, and it really isn't that uncommon to make a play look good while giving up on it.
Being "in position" requires being near the ball before a deflection, which he wasn't. He essentially gave up on the play by NOT slowing down and challenging the db's for the ball.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:03 pm to djsdawg
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Being "in position" requires being near the ball before a deflection, which he wasn't.
Did you look at the link. He definitely was in position. By the time the ball came down he was beside the DB. He did NOT challenge the DB for the ball, though.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:10 pm to DawgsLife
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He did NOT challenge the DB for the ball, though.
And that's all that really needs to be said. A good WR trying to make a good game saving play does not "give up" like that.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 1:32 pm to djsdawg
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And that's all that really needs to be said. A good WR trying to make a good game saving play does not "give up" like that.
Should he have gone for theball? yes. Did he give up? That would be questionable.....I see what you are saying, and perhaps I am being stubborn (Moi?) but as a WR, they typically slow down when they are "giving up" on a play.
Either way, I think y'alls point was it was a lucky play. It was from the standpoint of it should not have occurred. It should have been intercepted or knocked down.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 2:18 pm to DawgsLife
What constitutes "giving up" depends on where the ball is in relation to the player. If it's overthrown, giving up is slowing down. If it's under thrown, giving up is not slowing down. At the very least, Running away from the ball when your job is to catch the ball certainly isn't doing your job well.
As for the overall point, All tip ball situations are luck.
As for the overall point, All tip ball situations are luck.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:12 pm to djsdawg
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As for the overall point, All tip ball situations are luck.
This is true. I guess my overall point is this. had he not been around the ball the play would not have been lucky, it would have been meh. He stayed around the ball and that enabled him to make the play. Was he lucky that the ball wound up in his hands? yes. Why did the ball end up in his hands? because he stayed around the play.
Any way you slice it....we wuz snakebit.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 3:38 pm to DawgsLife
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had he not been around the ball the play would not have been lucky, it would have been meh. He stayed around the ball and that enabled him to make the play. Was he lucky that the ball wound up in his hands? yes. Why did the ball end up in his hands? because he stayed around the play.
Had he challenged 2 dbs for the ball, which is what wr's are supposed to do, and caught the ball, it would have been an amazing catch based on skill. Instead, He caught the ball about 10 yards AWAY from where it fell into play, which means he was OUT of position.
Posted on 7/24/16 at 10:33 pm to gatorhata9
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Les has a title.
This is a fact. But it's also one of the allying flukes in CFB history. LSU lucked the duck out.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 7:18 am to DawgsLife
Are you really trying to make an argument that play wasn't luck? It's probably one of the luckiest plays in CFB history. Way more luck involved in thy play than the kick 6 only weeks later
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 7:19 am
Posted on 7/25/16 at 8:29 am to td01241
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Are you really trying to make an argument that play wasn't luck?
No. Actually I m not making that argument at all. I AM saying that Louis was there to make the play. The pass should not have been tipped. It should have been knocked down. That alone makes it lucky. Add to that, that the pass was tipped directly at Louis. That makes it lucky, too. However, had Louis quit running or peeled off from the play it would have never been made.
So. Yes. It was lucky, but Louis helped his chances by being near enough to make the play. That's all I am saying.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 11:26 am to djsdawg
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He caught the ball about 10 yards AWAY from where it fell into play, which means he was OUT of position.[/quoto]
No,it means the ball was thrown short and to the wrong place
[quote]Had he challenged 2 dbs for the ball, which is what wr's are supposed to do
No WR in the history of WR's could have "challenged" for the ball.It was thrown behind him as he was running full stride and there was no way for him to know where the ball was.
Posted on 7/25/16 at 11:55 am to DawgsLife
Well, yeah, of course. Him being where he was allowed the play to happen: 99/100 times ball is knocked down by one of our two defenders jumping and hitting it. I still can't for the life of me figure out how Matthews and JHC both went full retard. Guess it make sense they were both processed
This post was edited on 7/25/16 at 11:56 am
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