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Who do you consider A level College Head Football Coaches?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:02 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:02 am
In my opinion there are only 3 A level college football coaches currently in the game--Saban, Meyer, and Harbaugh.
There are a number of B+ coaches who could potentially become A level coaches--Peterson of Washington, Jimbo Fisher, Gary Patterson, Oklahoma Stoops, and Mark Richt.
If Washington makes the play-offs, I would advance Peterson to an A-level coach. His accomplishments at Boise State were helped by easy schedules, but if he can do the same at a Pac 12 school than that shows me something.
Patterson can advance to an A-level if Texas Christian wins the national championship.
Jimbo Fisher has to win another national championship to be considered an A-level coach. 1 championship at FSU could be attributed to a fluke.
Same goes for Oklahoma Stoops.
Richt has to win a national championship at Miami to make it to A-level. We all know this won't happen because Richt can't win the big game.
I'm not impressed with the likes of Dabo Swinney, Hugh Frieze, and Butch Jones.
Dabo's lucky at the qb position. Jones's progress has been slow. And Ole Miss will eventually implode under NCAA scrutiny, proving he got his results through cheating.
There are a number of B+ coaches who could potentially become A level coaches--Peterson of Washington, Jimbo Fisher, Gary Patterson, Oklahoma Stoops, and Mark Richt.
If Washington makes the play-offs, I would advance Peterson to an A-level coach. His accomplishments at Boise State were helped by easy schedules, but if he can do the same at a Pac 12 school than that shows me something.
Patterson can advance to an A-level if Texas Christian wins the national championship.
Jimbo Fisher has to win another national championship to be considered an A-level coach. 1 championship at FSU could be attributed to a fluke.
Same goes for Oklahoma Stoops.
Richt has to win a national championship at Miami to make it to A-level. We all know this won't happen because Richt can't win the big game.
I'm not impressed with the likes of Dabo Swinney, Hugh Frieze, and Butch Jones.
Dabo's lucky at the qb position. Jones's progress has been slow. And Ole Miss will eventually implode under NCAA scrutiny, proving he got his results through cheating.
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:10 am to samson'sseed
What do you mean by "A level"? YOu only listed 3 which doesn't seem nearly accurate...you seem to be asking more who are "elite" coaches.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:20 am to samson'sseed
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1 championship at FSU could be attributed to a fluke.
Winning a National Championship and going undefeated, even in the ACC, isn't a fluke.
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I'm not impressed with the likes of Dabo Swinney, Hugh Frieze, and Butch Jones.
One of these is not like the others
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Dabo's lucky at the qb position
You mean the elite QB that he recruited out of our state and groomed in to a Heisman Finalist?
Just curious where you would rank Les Miles in all of this.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:21 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:23 am to gatorhata9
Les Miles is a solid B coach, about the equal of Richt.
Currently, he is constipated, mostly because he can't compete with an A-level coach in Saban.
Currently, he is constipated, mostly because he can't compete with an A-level coach in Saban.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:24 am to WG_Dawg
A-level...yeah I mean elite.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:26 am to samson'sseed
IMO there are about three tiers of coaches at the top and then there are the rest
Top tier: Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh. These are the three best coaches in America, hands down. People will say Harbaugh hasn't accomplished much but taking a dreadful Stanford program and making them the powerhouse they are now was impressive. Taking a dreadful 49ers team to three straight NFC championships in his first three years there was more impressive.
Next tier: Stoops, Dantonio, Fisher, Patterson, Briles, David Shaw. Keeping Stoops out of that top tier was hard to do, but he has lost his "Big Game Bob" moniker with some of the clunkers OU has had in big games over the last 10 years or so. Briles is a piece of shite, but the man made BAYLOR a powerhouse. If you had told me in 2009 that Baylor would be competing for national titles, I would have laughed at you.
Third tier: Richt, Dabo, Miles. Dabo's career was on life support until he made two brilliant coordinator hires. Clemson took off like a rocket after that. ETA: Snyder taking a historically bad Kansas State program to what it has become is as good of a coaching job as any in CFB history. He belongs in this tier.
Top tier: Saban, Meyer, Harbaugh. These are the three best coaches in America, hands down. People will say Harbaugh hasn't accomplished much but taking a dreadful Stanford program and making them the powerhouse they are now was impressive. Taking a dreadful 49ers team to three straight NFC championships in his first three years there was more impressive.
Next tier: Stoops, Dantonio, Fisher, Patterson, Briles, David Shaw. Keeping Stoops out of that top tier was hard to do, but he has lost his "Big Game Bob" moniker with some of the clunkers OU has had in big games over the last 10 years or so. Briles is a piece of shite, but the man made BAYLOR a powerhouse. If you had told me in 2009 that Baylor would be competing for national titles, I would have laughed at you.
Third tier: Richt, Dabo, Miles. Dabo's career was on life support until he made two brilliant coordinator hires. Clemson took off like a rocket after that. ETA: Snyder taking a historically bad Kansas State program to what it has become is as good of a coaching job as any in CFB history. He belongs in this tier.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:31 am to samson'sseed
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1 championship at FSU could be attributed to a fluke.
Besides the fact that they were one of the most dominant teams in college football in the last 20 years, sure that was a fluke. I don't think people remember this, but that team had every bit as much talent as 2011 Alabama. LINK They won their games by an average score of 52-12, including a 51-14 win on the road at #3 Clemson.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:35 am to samson'sseed
I would say your reasoning is a little skewed. Just my opinion. You would rank Harbaugh as A Level, yet he hasn't won his division yet, much less gone to the Playoffs or won a National Championship.
You don't like Swinney, yet he has played for a National Championship, and has taken a program that could never get over the hump before to the next level.
Fischer has won a National Championship, yet you don't list him as A Level, but list Harbaugh there.
Peterson gets to the A Level if he makes the playoffs, but a coach like Harbaugh has not made the playoffs is considered A Level.
I mean Fischer and Stoops have won a National Championship and they are a fluke, yet Harbaugh has won nothing and is considered A Level?
I understand these are your opinions, and that's ok.
For me?
Elite or A Level coaches are Saban and Meyer, period.
Multiple NCs and more than one school. Impressive.
Harbaugh will need to win something before he makes it. He has a LOT of potential.
Second tier coaches would be the ones who won one National Championship and keep their teams near the top most years.
Stoops? Fischer?
Harbaugh would not even make this group for me.....yet.
This is just my opinion, which is what you asked for. Your opinion is as valid, if not more so than mine, though. After all, they are both opinions.
You don't like Swinney, yet he has played for a National Championship, and has taken a program that could never get over the hump before to the next level.
Fischer has won a National Championship, yet you don't list him as A Level, but list Harbaugh there.
Peterson gets to the A Level if he makes the playoffs, but a coach like Harbaugh has not made the playoffs is considered A Level.
I mean Fischer and Stoops have won a National Championship and they are a fluke, yet Harbaugh has won nothing and is considered A Level?
I understand these are your opinions, and that's ok.
For me?
Elite or A Level coaches are Saban and Meyer, period.
Multiple NCs and more than one school. Impressive.
Harbaugh will need to win something before he makes it. He has a LOT of potential.
Second tier coaches would be the ones who won one National Championship and keep their teams near the top most years.
Stoops? Fischer?
Harbaugh would not even make this group for me.....yet.
This is just my opinion, which is what you asked for. Your opinion is as valid, if not more so than mine, though. After all, they are both opinions.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:37 am to samson'sseed
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Les Miles is a solid B coach, about the equal of Richt.
Les has a title. Richt doesn't. They aren't equal.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:40 am to DawgsLife
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I would say your reasoning is a little skewed. Just my opinion. You would rank Harbaugh as A Level, yet he hasn't won his division yet, much less gone to the Playoffs or won a National Championship.
his logic is all over the place. What JH did in the nfl is 100% irrelevant. So basically he's getting called "elite" based on what he did at stanford.
Yet coaches at much shittier football schools/cities (kansas st, baylor, TCU, etc) aren't elite. doesn't make sense.
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Elite or A Level coaches are Saban and Meyer, period
Agree. Those are the clear cut top 2 coaches in NCAAF and nobody else is on their level.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:42 am to DawgsLife
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Harbaugh will need to win something before he makes it. He has a LOT of potential.
Harbaugh is a little different because of his ridiculously successful runs at Stanford and San Francisco, IMO. David Shaw has been amazing at Stanford, but Harbaugh is the one who built that program from the doldrums.
49ers record in the five seasons before Harbaugh arrived: 7-9, 5-11, 7-9, 8-8, 6-10. He showed up and they went to three straight NFCCGs, winning one, losing one in overtime, and losing one on the road to Seattle in a game they absolutely should have won.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:46 am to VADawg
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Harbaugh is a little different because of his ridiculously successful runs at Stanford and San Francisco, IMO
the nfl has nothing to do with the discussion. It'd be like in 2011 calling charlie weis one of cfb's greatest OCs because he won so much with the patriots.
Harbaugh did extremely well at stanford. That matters. He's had a very nice debut season at UM although he did lose 3 games.
Harbaugh is very good, no doubt about it. But he is by no means elite.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:48 am to WG_Dawg
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It'd be like in 2011 calling charlie weis one of cfb's greatest OCs because he won so much with the patriots.
Except the Patriots offense didn't start setting records until well after he left. Bill O'Brien and Josh McDaniels were the OCs for their best offenses.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:52 am to VADawg
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Except the Patriots offense didn't start setting records until well after he left
I more so meant he won 3 super bowls there. My point was that NFL success doesn't mean squat when evaluating a college coach's performance.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:52 am to VADawg
Your title specifically says COLLEGE football coaches. his stint at San Francisco is immaterial.
While at Stanford he never won his conference. Think about that. How can an elite coach NEVER even win their own conference.
Harbaugh needs desperately to win BIG at Michigan or he will become a footnote. Don't get me wrong, he has the tools to become elite, but how do you put Harbaugh on the same level as coaches who have won multiple National Championships? And both have won at least one NC at two different schools!
Harbaugh has done nothing of major note while coaching at a major college. He has not even won a conference championship.
While at Stanford he never won his conference. Think about that. How can an elite coach NEVER even win their own conference.
Harbaugh needs desperately to win BIG at Michigan or he will become a footnote. Don't get me wrong, he has the tools to become elite, but how do you put Harbaugh on the same level as coaches who have won multiple National Championships? And both have won at least one NC at two different schools!
Harbaugh has done nothing of major note while coaching at a major college. He has not even won a conference championship.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:53 am to DawgsLife
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While at Stanford he never won his conference.
dang I didn't realize that.
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Harbaugh has done nothing of major note while coaching at a major college
I'd say winning as big as he did at stanford is noteworthy. But again...it's no more noteworthy than snyder/briles/patterson winning at ksu/baylor/tcu
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:54 am to VADawg
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Harbaugh is a little different because of his ridiculously successful runs at Stanford
Records at Stanford?
2007: 4-8
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5
2010: 12-1
He had one really good year, but failed to win his conference. If Fischer's National Championship was a fluke, why is Harbaugh's one big year without a Conference Championship a true indicator?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:57 am to WG_Dawg
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I'd say winning as big as he did at stanford is noteworthy.
His biggest achievement at Stanford is he took all excuses of losing away from Georgia Tech.
Sorry. I couldn't resist.
Yes, he did take a Stanford program and have a good year. One. he made them better. but lets face it....Stanford has had intermittent success in the past.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:59 am to DawgsLife
I had no idea his stanford tenure was so bleh other than the last season.
Guess that goes to show what a known name and having mass media on your side can do.
Guess that goes to show what a known name and having mass media on your side can do.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:00 am to DawgsLife
I would argue that Shaw has had more success at Stanford than Harbaugh. Of course, it could also be argued that Shaw built his success from Harbaugh's work.
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