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re: Who do you consider A level College Head Football Coaches?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:02 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:02 am to WG_Dawg
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I had no idea his stanford tenure was so bleh other than the last season.
Guess that goes to show what a known name and having mass media on your side can do.
Yeah. he DID elevate the program, no doubt. And, I think he developed a reputation for hard nosed football there....something that was a bit lacking for a long time. I have to give Harbaugh a certain amount of credit. But being elite would not be a category I would put him in.....yet.
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Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:05 am to WG_Dawg
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I had no idea his stanford tenure was so bleh other than the last season.
It's almost shocking given the media exposure and accolades he received, isn't it? In fairness, he was pretty close to playing for the National Championship in the 2010/2011 season.
This post was edited on 7/22/16 at 10:06 am
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:06 am to DawgsLife
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If Fischer's National Championship was a fluke
I never said it was. I actually posted some stuff in this thread saying the exact opposite.
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why is Harbaugh's one big year without a Conference Championship a true indicator
It's easy to forget now because they've been so good over the last 6 years, but Stanford football was where Kansas is right now before Harbaugh took over. That time period between Willingham and Harbaugh was just horrendous for them. His first Stanford team pulled off the biggest point spread upset in CFB history when they won at USC despite being a 41 point underdog, and they played some of that season with a backup QB.
TL;DR: His records at Stanford may not have been great, but they were basically a JV team when he took over.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:16 am to VADawg
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I never said it was. I actually posted some stuff in this thread saying the exact opposite.
You're correct. Samsonseed did. my apologies.
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It's easy to forget now because they've been so good over the last 6 years, but Stanford football was where Kansas is right now before Harbaugh took over. That time period between Willingham and Harbaugh was just horrendous for them. His first Stanford team pulled off the biggest point spread upset in CFB history when they won at USC despite being a 41 point underdog, and they played some of that season with a backup QB.
All true. he did a great job. But in the same category as Saban and meyer? saban took over a pretty bad Alabama team in disarray and has won....well....a few titles. national Titles. Harbaugh won nothing but single games. No Conference title. no national Title. I just can't put him in the same league with coaches who have won multiple national titles when he has not even won his own conference.
Just assuming you want to add in his NFL career (And since we are talking college, I don't think we should) he never won the Super Bowl. So, we are putting a coach who has never won a single Championship to elite?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:39 am to DawgsLife
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he did a great job. But in the same category as Saban and meyer?
also worth noting saban and meyer have national titles at different schools. That puts them in basically the elite of the elite class.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:43 am to WG_Dawg
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also worth noting saban and meyer have national titles at different schools. That puts them in basically the elite of the elite class.
Do it at one school and you face the critics that say a coach did it with another coaches players. (Les Miles) If you do it at two schools it quiets those critics. PARTICULARLY if you win more than one Championship at either school.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:44 am to samson'sseed
Good topic! It's interesting to get other peoples perspective and opinion....see their reasoning process. People may not agree, but it all boils down to a persons personal opinion.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 11:04 am to samson'sseed
1. Saban 2. Meyer
Everyone else.
Everyone else.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:36 pm to WG_Dawg
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also worth noting saban and meyer have national titles at different schools. That puts them in basically the elite of the elite class.
Good point. I do think Harbaugh gets at least one at Michigan before he scratches his NFL itch again if he decides to do that.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:51 pm to samson'sseed
Completely disagree with you in Jimbo Fisher. He he recruits at an elite level, consistently wins his conference, and has won a national championship. Not sure what else you have to do to be considered elite.
Also disagree with you on Dabo. He's certainly not elite, but he has built a very good program and is on the verge possibly making Clemson a perennial national title contender. He never even held a position as a coordinator, but stepped in as interim head coach, from wr coach, when Bowden was fired and has taken them to new heights. He deserves to be in the same category as Richt. In fact he does something that Richt struggled with, which is make competent coaching hires.
Also disagree with you on Dabo. He's certainly not elite, but he has built a very good program and is on the verge possibly making Clemson a perennial national title contender. He never even held a position as a coordinator, but stepped in as interim head coach, from wr coach, when Bowden was fired and has taken them to new heights. He deserves to be in the same category as Richt. In fact he does something that Richt struggled with, which is make competent coaching hires.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 1:56 pm to VADawg
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Good point. I do think Harbaugh gets at least one at Michigan before he scratches his NFL itch again if he decides to do that.
I THINK he might. he certainly brings a lot of interest and excitement to a program. His biggest obstacles is getting past Ohio State in his own conference, and then dealing with whatever juggernaut gets out of the SEC. And here, we could be talking about Alabama, Tennessee, LSU and....hopefully Georgia with a possibility of Florida.
The good news for Harbaugh, is he is relatively young, and we know (Or at least feel like) Meyer does not handle pressure well and Saban will have to retire sooner than later. I am guessing within the next 4 years or so. His retirement could open a lot of possibilities up.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 2:01 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Jimbo Fisher
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Dabo
I would put them both in the next tier behind Saban and Meyer. I would probably put Big Game Bob there and a couple of others. I MIGHT put Swinney just below this crew simply because he has not won a National Championship, but what he has done is definitely impressive. He might go JUUUUUST below this group along with Richt, maybe?...at least until he wins the big game.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 4:09 pm to samson'sseed
Harbaugh has never won a conference championship (unless you count the Pioneer League title at U of San Diego) yet you consider him one of the top 3 coaches? Really?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 4:15 pm to AlaCowboy
Deja vu, all over again?
or Germans?
or Germans?
Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:31 pm to Sanford&MunSon
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Also disagree with you on Dabo. He's certainly not elite, but he has built a very good program and is on the verge possibly making Clemson a perennial national title contender. He never even held a position as a coordinator, but stepped in as interim head coach, from wr coach, when Bowden was fired and has taken them to new heights. He deserves to be in the same category as Richt. In fact he does something that Richt struggled with, which is make competent coaching hires.
Gonna have to give Dabo the edge over Richt.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 8:43 pm to djsdawg
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Gonna have to give Dabo the edge over Richt.
Maybe. he did make it to a National Championship game. But, it could be argued that the 2012 SECCG was a national Championship game. At any rate, if we decided to give Dabo the edge (and I wouldn't necessarily disagree to give him the edge) I would still put them in the same tier of coaches. One thing Richt never gets credit for is he won so many games so consistently. He was so good at winning 10 games every year that he made it look easy, and as a result people took him for granted. I really believe as time passes people will gain more perspective as to what he accomplished.
OR....hopefully, Smart will eclipse Richt's accomplishments (With a Natty or two or three)and we will say Richt got us to the threshold and Smart took us over the top.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:01 pm to WG_Dawg
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the nfl has nothing to do with the discussion
Right. If you follow the logic that NFL experience means something, you have to take Saban and Myer down a notch as Saban bombed and Myer has never set a foot on that stage in any capacity. Harbaugh has not meet with the same level of successful as a college coach.
So, there are no "Class A" coaches if the NFLF matters.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 9:06 pm to DawgsLife
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One thing Richt never gets credit for is he won so many games so consistently. He was so good at winning 10 games every year that he made it look easy, and as a result people took him for granted. I really believe as time passes people will gain more perspective as to what he accomplished.
I think he does get credit for that, but many of those 10 win seasons involved few big time wins mixed in with bad losses and close wins.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:35 pm to gatorhata9
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Les has a title. Richt doesn't. They aren't equal.
And LSU lost to two unranked SEC teams in his title year and 4 teams ranked ahead of him lost on the same weekend to elevate them to the BCS game.Kudos for whipping OSU BUT getting there was one of the biggest flukes in the history of flukes.
CMR has the same amount of SECC's and more divsion championship in his first 10 years compared to Les's 1st 10.
Posted on 7/22/16 at 10:55 pm to RD Dawg
Les also has 2011 to point towards, which might be the best regular season in SEC history, and no losing season as well. You got to give him the edge over Richt.
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