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What ever happened to the toss sweep?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:26 am
Does Coley know the play exists?
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Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:30 am to Cobb Dawg
Ran it a bunch at UF... Its a toss out of the shotgun, worked great.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:31 am to Cobb Dawg
Defensive speed has caught up with the toss sweep.
The toss also declares the play at the moment of the snap. There isnt anything to deter safeties and linebackers from running their alleys immediately to disrupt at or behind the line of scrimmage.
One or two times a game would not be bad (as you can fake a toss and move linebackers/safeties with that motion). But it isnt as successful today as it used to be because of the defensive speed.
The toss also declares the play at the moment of the snap. There isnt anything to deter safeties and linebackers from running their alleys immediately to disrupt at or behind the line of scrimmage.
One or two times a game would not be bad (as you can fake a toss and move linebackers/safeties with that motion). But it isnt as successful today as it used to be because of the defensive speed.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:31 am to Cobb Dawg
He figured it out after a quarter last Saturday and put Swift on the edge. Draw plays are actually what works best for Swift, when he's 1-on-1 he gives em the dead leg and it's over. Of course Coley rarely runs draws for him.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:33 am to lewis and herschel
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Ran it a bunch at UF... Its a toss out of the shotgun, worked great.
That wasnt a toss sweep. It was a speed toss (not much different than a RB route to the flat). I only remember it 1 time. And it did alright when Swift is 1 on 1 with an overmatched DB.
We've won battles with 1on1 DBs against Kentucky and florida. We haven't won those battles against Vandy, notre dame, and south carolina (and people complain that we are conservative and calling plays that get stuffed in the backfield for loss)
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:41 am to Cobb Dawg
We run a stretch play to the outside, which works better with our standard formation/package and attacks the same part of the field. Did a decent job of it against UF.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:45 am to jodeaux
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Draw plays are actually what works best
Draw plays kill a Grantham defense.
He often let's the OLBs run free and they often run huge holes for the RB that almost make it impossible for another defender to fill that gap properly.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 9:56 am to meansonny
Would work great with an RB that could throw a pass.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:06 am to meansonny
Ran it at least twice and since it is a toss to a rb to get outside, it's not a reach to call it a modern toss sweep.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:21 am to lewis and herschel
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not a reach to call it a modern toss sweep.
Fair enough. It sounds like we are on the same page with an exception for semantics.
I came from a triple option offense back in high school and we ran speed to the edge a lot. The only real difference from speed and toss is where the back lines up presnap.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:30 am to meansonny
I guess it comes down to where you learned it, but a toss sweep always had a FB kicking out on the edge and the receiver(s) blocking down.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:33 am to Peter Buck
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guess it comes down to where you learned it, but a toss sweep always had a FB kicking out on the edge and the receiver(s) blocking down.
You are probably correct. But I thought we ran toss without a fullback/Hback in the past as well.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 10:51 am to meansonny
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Defensive speed has caught up with the toss sweep.
The toss also declares the play at the moment of the snap. There isnt anything to deter safeties and linebackers from running their alleys immediately to disrupt at or behind the line of scrimmage.
One or two times a game would not be bad (as you can fake a toss and move linebackers/safeties with that motion). But it isnt as successful today as it used to be because of the defensive speed.
Correct on all counts. There are variations, however. There's a zone toss and a toss counter that would both fit our current blocking scheme.
Part of winning vs modern defensive speed is getting defenders to overcommit. A toss play design to create a cutback lane off the tackle could be a great add. Works with a jet sweep as well, and there's a reverse off that play that I've seen us use.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 11:01 am to meansonny
What we ran at UF is what we used to call a quick pitch in highschool. Similiar but different.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 11:12 am to chillmonster
I think the important part is that we had got away from attacking outside the tackles with our run game and it made the defense have to play less honest to it. When we did attack outside, it seemed to be with the jet, which takes away from our strength, which is the O line. The last two games, we definitely ran more plays to the outside and I think it had a cumulative affect of the defense.
I get why we so badly want to establish that dive play, as it can truly dictate the game. Yet, if we don’t keep the defense honest and off balance, the dive becomes harder to run. Balance will be key. We played a really good, aggressive defense last week and ran the ball just well enough that our passing game was manageable. We can be better, but I feel an overall progression in both play calling and execution the last two weeks. Overall.
I get why we so badly want to establish that dive play, as it can truly dictate the game. Yet, if we don’t keep the defense honest and off balance, the dive becomes harder to run. Balance will be key. We played a really good, aggressive defense last week and ran the ball just well enough that our passing game was manageable. We can be better, but I feel an overall progression in both play calling and execution the last two weeks. Overall.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 11:16 am to Broncothor
My veer QB days we used the fullback as a decoy, came from under center opposite of the pitch, the full back went by on dive play action and the toss went to the TB after a stutter move.
It was quick and the playaction was more important than the FB block.
It was quick and the playaction was more important than the FB block.
This post was edited on 11/7/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 11/7/19 at 5:25 pm to Peter Buck
What is stretch package?
Posted on 11/7/19 at 6:20 pm to deeprig9
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What is stretch package?
I'll take "Google searches you probably don't want to run" for $500 please, Alex.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 7:01 pm to FaCubeItches
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I'll take "Google searches you probably don't want to run" for $500 please, Alex.
Speaking of Jeopardy!, last night James won his tournament match, and tonight Emma won her match. We may be heading to a rematch showdown.
Posted on 11/7/19 at 7:04 pm to FaCubeItches
Just re-watched the GA-FL game. I counted the RB runs only.
We gained 20 yards in 19 attempts running inside.
We gained 79 yards in 12 attempts running outside (13 for 119 yards had not LANDERS held on the TD run).
If Smart is dead set on running the ball, he needs to attack the whole line of scrimmage, not just that little area over the center.
We gained 20 yards in 19 attempts running inside.
We gained 79 yards in 12 attempts running outside (13 for 119 yards had not LANDERS held on the TD run).
If Smart is dead set on running the ball, he needs to attack the whole line of scrimmage, not just that little area over the center.
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