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re: Well, ol Carson...

Posted on 1/21/26 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 2:42 pm to
Sure looks like that ball was not way underthrown*
Posted by GurleyGirl
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 2:46 pm to
It looks like the ball should have never been thrown to a well covered receiver.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 2:56 pm to
Not going back to look at the video in real time, if I'm just looking at the picture, I'm going with under thrown. The defender is trailing, he's getting beat, put more on the ball and the only thing the defender can do to break it up is PI. I say this as someone who likes and defends Carson Beck regularly. But just looking at the pic, I'm saying under thrown. Or, possibly, he's throwing it exactly where the receiver is suppose to be, but because he's covered up in that spot, the receiver makes and executive decision to change the route and Carson didn't pick up on it. Hard to say what's going on in these guys' minds in real time in the heat of battle.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 3:02 pm to
Every hall of fame QB throws an interception sometimes. I don't get why people are piling on to Carson Beck on this game. Were it not for his millions of dollars, I'd feel bad for him.
Posted by IT_Dawg
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 3:57 pm to
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Every hall of fame QB throws an interception sometimes. I don't get why people are piling on to Carson Beck on this game.


Because he ditched a school he committed to play with for some extra money and girls. He then proceeds to throw interceptions when the team needs him most, when he had phenomenal OLs and good WRs. What HoF QB in 3 years has lost 6 games where 4 of them were for throwing picks on the final drive to win?
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 4:05 pm to
Why do Netapp drives fail constantly?
Posted by RedPants
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 5:44 pm to
Zone or man cover 2?
Posted by Bradb5291
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 8:17 pm to
Sure looks like he didn’t have to jump in the air either…
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 8:23 pm to
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Zone or man cover 2?


If it was 2 man under, the CB would not have been in trail looking back at the QB… he should have been staying tight with him in phase in a true man under scenario. The CB ended up 40 yards down field in a zone look, while also getting help from the safety. For what it is worth, cover 2 has 2 deep safeties playing deep halves, the other side of the defense almost looked like cover 3. So it was cover 2 on one side and 3 on the other. Definitely a complex defensive scheme.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 8:24 pm to
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Sure looks like he didn’t have to jump in the air either…

Other than both feet in the air and arms fully extended?
Posted by RedPants
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 9:43 pm to
Seemed to me cover 2 man and the corner looked back because he knew the safety would be there due to only one deeper route running on their side. Beck never should have thrown that ball.

I get Beck wanting to go for the win, but the smart play was hitting Toney wide open toward the middle.
This post was edited on 1/21/26 at 9:47 pm
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 9:56 pm to
Agree, he should not have thrown it. The likely reason he did throw it was he read it as base cover 2 and did not think that CB was gonna drop back 40 yards. Reading defenses in real time at field level is parts science and art. I think he saw a shot at a hero throw and made his choice as soon as he saw what he thought he was seeing. I’d love to hear if that was the call by the Indiana defense or if they gave the CB some latitude based on what happened on his side of the field.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 10:06 pm to
This article brushes some of what they do. I imagine a lot of DCs are watching this film and looking to emulate next season. I bet this complex stuff is harder for younger players to learn. Indiana having a lot of older players likely helped.

LINK
Posted by AlaCowboy46
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Posted on 1/21/26 at 10:27 pm to
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What I really kept thinking was that Miami, for all $6M they paid Beck, ended up being a significantly inferior version of our 2021 team


FIFY. Their defense doesn't hold a candle to what we had. Their offense doesn't have multiple future very good NFL WRs (even if we only got Pickens for a brief glimpse that year) or the best tight end in all of football.


The 2021 and 2022 defenses had players that could tackle anyone and DL that could run down RBs behind the line of scrimmage. Miami had none of that. I remember Jordan Davis running down the Alabama RB in the NC game twice before he could get to the edge and turn upfield. He did the same in the Michigan game
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 10:48 am to
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The 2021 and 2022 defenses had players that could tackle anyone and DL that could run down RBs behind the line of scrimmage. Miami had none of that. I remember Jordan Davis running down the Alabama RB in the NC game twice before he could get to the edge and turn upfield. He did the same in the Michigan game


Jordan Davis chasing Blake Corum down horizontally was one of the most freakish things I have ever seen on a football field. Our 2021 defense would have held 2025 Indiana to 10 points or fewer. Probably would have kept them out of the end zone.
Posted by Sandwich
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 12:51 pm to
Dude Jalen Carter would have eaten Mendoza for breakfast
Posted by Bradb5291
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 3:48 pm to
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Definitely a complex defensive scheme.

Pete wants people to think this just so it makes Beck look better than what he is. It was a simple cover 2 and the cb dropped back bc there was no receiver in his zone to cover.
Posted by AlaCowboy46
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 4:08 pm to
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Sure looks like that ball was not way underthrown*


The side view of the play shows the WR about 2 yards deeper than the CB. Had Beck put just a little more air into the end zone it would have been a TD.
Posted by Peter Buck
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Posted on 1/22/26 at 6:01 pm to
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Pete wants people to think this just so it makes Beck look better than what he is. It was a simple cover 2 and the cb dropped back bc there was no receiver in his zone to cover.



You clearly do not know how to read and generally say dumb things. Best thing you can do is stick to the coach firing threads and avoid the ones when men are talking about football.
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