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Posted on 3/5/17 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
Posted on 3/5/17 at 10:30 am to WG_Dawg
So Belmont at home with a chance at hosting either Tech or UCF? Hosting Tech in some sort of postseason play would be fun, I'd think
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Posted on 3/5/17 at 11:33 am to tylerdurden24
Belmont, ETSU/UNCG, Winthrop(if lose), FGCU(if lose) are probably the favorites for the first round.
Tech, Clemson, Ohio State, Iowa, Texas Tech, Charleston are probably favorites for us to play in the second.
Tech, Clemson, Ohio State, Iowa, Texas Tech, Charleston are probably favorites for us to play in the second.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 12:31 pm to devils1854
We really need to get to 20 wins again for the sake of recruiting. It's good that we can say we play a great SOS, we win 20 games per year, and we are consistently play in the post season.
This plus our graduation rates, player development, plus increased attendance are all great selling points for recruiting. If we don't get over the hump next year then I say getting rid of Coach Fox would be much more necessary.
We really could use another skilled big man to play the post that can rebound. I don't think Mike Edwards is going to get there and we have one more Scholly.
This plus our graduation rates, player development, plus increased attendance are all great selling points for recruiting. If we don't get over the hump next year then I say getting rid of Coach Fox would be much more necessary.
We really could use another skilled big man to play the post that can rebound. I don't think Mike Edwards is going to get there and we have one more Scholly.
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Posted on 3/5/17 at 2:33 pm to DoubleDawg22
I am sure you will find a way to rationalize keeping fox for another decade or two.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:22 pm to DoubleDawg22
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We really could use another skilled big man to play the post that can rebound. I don't think Mike Edwards is going to get there and we have one more Scholly.
Yeah, because they grow on trees and it's really early in the recruiting cycle.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:30 pm to DoubleDawg22
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If we don't get over the hump next year then I say getting rid of Coach Fox would be much more necessary.
1) Why is year 9 your benchmark opposed to year 8?
2) What is your "getting over the hump" moment? We have 0 tourney wins and have never won more than 1 NIT game in his tenure.
I just truly don't understand how anybody that thinks rationally can think Fox is the best man for the job based on what we've seen.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:34 pm to WG_Dawg
Next season certainly has some promise assuming Maten returns and Harris and Crump develop into solid guards. But those are big assumptions at this point and, even then, it's going to require a solid coaching job to navigate such a team to where it's wanting to go. I just haven't seen enough to make me think Fox is the guy to do that with any degree of certainty.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 3:57 pm to tylerdurden24
It will be a tough decision to make. Fox can't stay on the last year or 2 of his contract, wouldn't be able to recruit. So he needs to be let go or extended. Very difficult decision. We could be good next year, will have a deep and experienced roster for sure. That said is Fox too stubborn to adjust and win next year? He has been slow to adjust and adapt the last few years and it's cost us in seeding or in tourney selection in general.
On the other hand if he were let go this job would be very appealing this year. A new coach could come in and have a successful year immediately with the guys who are coming back and establish himself while also having 4 scholarships to utilize to bring in his own guys and adjust his style of play.
On the other hand if he were let go this job would be very appealing this year. A new coach could come in and have a successful year immediately with the guys who are coming back and establish himself while also having 4 scholarships to utilize to bring in his own guys and adjust his style of play.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 4:37 pm to TigerinUGA
Of course, remember who has to make this decision AND the new hire.
Maybe we just hang our heads in shame and call a spade a spade.
Maybe we just hang our heads in shame and call a spade a spade.
Posted on 3/5/17 at 8:55 pm to WG_Dawg
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What is your "getting over the hump" moment?
Not trying to speak for anyone, but my personal getting over the hump moment for UGA basketball would be to at least get to the second weekend of the tournament. For frick's sake, if programs like George Mason and Wichita State can make the Final Four, why can't Georgia ever get to the point where it can win two tournament games?
I will say, Fox got really unlucky in his last tournament appearance. Michigan State was a grossly underseeded team in 2015. Their resume said 7 seed (which is what they were) but their play for the 2-3 weeks leading into the tournament said they were Final Four good (which they eventually got to).
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:20 am to WG_Dawg
1.) why is year 9 not the bench mark year. Why does 8 have to be.
To answer your question, because I believe that this team was really young with potential and that next year we should improve a good bit. Yante and DO should be on every of the better big me. Duo's in the SEC. Crump and Harris should be vastly improved. Pape should improve a good bit and Toe showed flashes. we have legit talent coming in while losing very little outside of JJ.
2. I am considering not answering this question because you have already slanted it against me. Our "hump" is getting into the tourney. We've been barely outside the last three years so naturally that's the "hump". If we don't get there next year then it's time to move on. Assuming recruiting continues what it's doing we should make the tournament in 2019.
Crispy, Yante was a 3-star from Michigan who signed in April. We don't need another Yante at this point, we'd definitely take one, but we could really use another DO to come off the bench and rebound and get about 10-15 mins per game as a freshman. So yes, that is entirely possible.
To answer your question, because I believe that this team was really young with potential and that next year we should improve a good bit. Yante and DO should be on every of the better big me. Duo's in the SEC. Crump and Harris should be vastly improved. Pape should improve a good bit and Toe showed flashes. we have legit talent coming in while losing very little outside of JJ.
2. I am considering not answering this question because you have already slanted it against me. Our "hump" is getting into the tourney. We've been barely outside the last three years so naturally that's the "hump". If we don't get there next year then it's time to move on. Assuming recruiting continues what it's doing we should make the tournament in 2019.
Crispy, Yante was a 3-star from Michigan who signed in April. We don't need another Yante at this point, we'd definitely take one, but we could really use another DO to come off the bench and rebound and get about 10-15 mins per game as a freshman. So yes, that is entirely possible.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 8:21 am to WG_Dawg
You talk about logic all the time but your inability to understand proves your own faulty logic. Either that or you lack mental processing ability to understand others point of view.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:29 am to DoubleDawg22
That's a whole lot of shoulds being tossed out in the face of the fact that UGA "should have" made the tournament this year
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:55 am to tylerdurden24
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That's a whole lot of shoulds being tossed out in the face of the fact that UGA "should have" made the tournament this year
Ding ding ding... and yet no evidence indicates that Fox has had a team where all of those "shoulds" end up coming to fruition. The reality is much more often that we "should" all over ourself...
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:12 pm to fibonaccisquared
Fib...I've provided plenty of facts yet you reject them as being false because development will come regardless of who the coach is.
Shoulda will be there regardless of who the coaches is. Let me ask you this, who would be the head coach if it wasn't Mark fox and WHY? Emphasis on why.
You're gonna say because he should be able to recruit better, he should get more out of his talent, he should make better in game adjustments.
Everything is based on should so let's throw that argument out the window. I love debating with you guys because it's so easy to throw your ridulous nonsense out of the window and the fact that you refuse to use any of my previous facts. What's next? Bring it on...it's really not hard to argue with anarchists who don't have a freakin' clue about what it takes for athletics to develop.
Shoulda will be there regardless of who the coaches is. Let me ask you this, who would be the head coach if it wasn't Mark fox and WHY? Emphasis on why.
You're gonna say because he should be able to recruit better, he should get more out of his talent, he should make better in game adjustments.
Everything is based on should so let's throw that argument out the window. I love debating with you guys because it's so easy to throw your ridulous nonsense out of the window and the fact that you refuse to use any of my previous facts. What's next? Bring it on...it's really not hard to argue with anarchists who don't have a freakin' clue about what it takes for athletics to develop.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:19 pm to DoubleDawg22
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I love debating with you guys because it's so easy to throw your ridulous nonsense out of the window and the fact that you refuse to use any of my previous facts. What's next? Bring it on...it's really not hard to argue with anarchists who don't have a freakin' clue about what it takes for athletics to develop
And as you do that, we miss another tournament.
And time marches ooooon....
Time marches on
Posted on 3/6/17 at 12:26 pm to DoubleDawg22
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refuse to use any of my previous facts
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because I believe that this team was really young with potential and that next year we should improve a good bit. Yante and DO should be on every of the better big me.
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Crump and Harris should be vastly improved. Pape should improve a good bit
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Assuming recruiting continues what it's doing we should make the tournament in 2019.
I am starting to think you dont know what facts are
Posted on 3/6/17 at 1:47 pm to DoubleDawg22
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1.) why is year 9 not the bench mark year. Why does 8 have to be.
To answer your question, because I believe that this team was really young with potential and that next year we should improve a good bit.
-Why are we so young in year 8? Doesn't' that indicate that Fox has done a bad job of managing the roster?
-How in the hell was this team "really young"? It's the exact opposite. JJ is a senior. Maten and DO were both experienced. Parker was finally 100% healthy and has been here forever. Edwards and KPG had plenty of experience in SEC games. We brought in a JUCO that has some game experience. The only position we truly were young was at the 2 and we had two promising freshmen. This was the year we were finally supposed to comfortably make the tournament and now we might not even be hosting an NIT game. There is no way to spin that.
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2. I am considering not answering this question because you have already slanted it against me. Our "hump" is getting into the tourney.
And yet here we are on the outside again. Going back to my first quesiton, I'm just curious what makes year 9 THE make or break year and not year 8, or 7, or 6. What more do you need to see from Fox that you don't already know?
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:39 pm to WG_Dawg
Look at the roster and hypothesize how I could label this team young. I curious to see if your have the intelligence to develop good argument for that.
I'll throw you a bone, one year of experience does not characterize some has being a veteran or one of experience. If it did nobody would work and entry or mid level job for any longer than a year.
I'll throw you a bone, one year of experience does not characterize some has being a veteran or one of experience. If it did nobody would work and entry or mid level job for any longer than a year.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 2:56 pm to DoubleDawg22
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Look at the roster and hypothesize how I could label this team young. I curious to see if your have the intelligence to develop good argument for that.
Ok, here are the people we most rely on:
Frazier- Senior
Maten- Junior
Parker- Junior
Diatta- Junior
DO- Sophomore
Edwards- Sophomore
Turtle- Sophomore
4 guys that are upperclassmen and 3 more that had a full year of SEC experience coming into the year. This is basketball...a sophomore that has played his entire freshman year in the SEC should be playing at a level better than their freshman year. So no I would not say we were "really young" as you put it.
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one year of experience does not characterize some has being a veteran or one of experience
Funny you say that, considering that you also say:
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Crump and Harris should be vastly improved. Pape should improve a good bit and Toe showed flashes.
Some of your big positives going into next season are that:
-2 freshman who saw spotty, modest minutes this year should somehow be vastly improved
-A guy averaging 2 ppg is supposed to improve a good bit
-a guy averaging 14 minutes and 2 ppg has "shown flashes"
According to you, we're going to be "really young" again next year considering we'll be relying heavily on freshmen and sophomores.
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If it did nobody would work and entry or mid level job for any longer than a year.
we're not talking about entry level jobs, we're talking about basketball.
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