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re: So There's A Good Chance We Go 10-3
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:43 am to I B Freeman
Posted on 11/15/15 at 11:43 am to I B Freeman
The point is, y'all don't hold other teams and coaches to the same standard when comparing and contrasting. Understanding reality is not the same as accepting it. That is a very difficult thing for some of y'all.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:06 pm to DawgsLife
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Then there is justification not to rank: Michigan TCU Baylor Florida State Ohio State Stanford None have beaten a good team. None. Now, they HAVE beaten a bowl eligible team....but Auburn will be Bowl Eligible, Missouri has a shot...Kentucky has a good shot..so yeah, by the time the season is over we will have beaten several Bowl Eligible teams.
I understand your point, but all of those teams are far and away better than anybody we've beaten. If we played in the Pac 12 South, Big Ten East, or SEC west, we would still be fighting for bowl eligibility.
I really can't recall when Georgia has had such an lousy resume. It is what it is. Hopefully we will get some type of quality opponent in a bowl.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:13 pm to I B Freeman
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So There's A Good Chance We Go 10-3
We played a bunch of patsies.
CMR has been lucky the east has been so weak the last 6 years.
He is not a top tier coach and any objective thinker knows that.
Ok. Name all the current coaches that have averaged 10 wins a year over a decent time span. Shoot. Name all the teams, no matter what their schedule was that finished with 10 wins last season.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:16 pm to JCdawg
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I understand your point, but all of those teams are far and away better than anybody we've beaten.
No, you don't understand my point. My point is that THEY have not beaten anybody that is far and away better than who we have beaten.
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I really can't recall when Georgia has had such an lousy resume.
And yet it is every bit as good as those teams I mentioned. None of them have played anybody, but you can't seem to understand that. They have built their record on beating bad teams, too.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:19 pm to Peter Buck
I can see it both ways. If our soul focus is on winning national championships, then Richt should probably be replaced since he doesn't seem to be able to put together a complete/championship level team. Granted he came close in 2012.
However, if you look at the mission of our university as a whole, Richt is a near ideal fit in terms of character, positive PR, composure, mentoring his players and assistants, public image and winning consistently enough to keep the money rolling in. I would guess that UGA admins see Richt as a significant asset. And as much as some fans might like to see more of the "evil" Richt, I doubt that the school administrators agree.
However, if you look at the mission of our university as a whole, Richt is a near ideal fit in terms of character, positive PR, composure, mentoring his players and assistants, public image and winning consistently enough to keep the money rolling in. I would guess that UGA admins see Richt as a significant asset. And as much as some fans might like to see more of the "evil" Richt, I doubt that the school administrators agree.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:25 pm to GurleyGirl
I am always happy to win, I agree with the other that I don't want a decent record to mask the problems, and we just have more of the same.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 12:31 pm to DawgsLife
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And yet it is every bit as good as those teams I mentioned. None of them have played anybody, but you can't seem to understand that. They have built their record on beating bad teams, too.
Trust me, your opinion isn't that complicated. I disagree, I'm sorry. The Pac-12 South and Big 10 East are better than the SEC east.
One more point, yes when Auburn beats Idaho next weak they will be bowl eligible. Kentucky has very little shot at beating Louisville, sorry. They look like hammered shite. Mizzou has almost no chance against Tennessee or Arkansas. Georgia Southern will be bowl eligible but that is it. So we will likely only have beaten two teams with 6 or more wins on our resume.
Oh, and if you think Georgia's resume is as good as Stanford's, there is no reasoning. We will have to agree to disagree.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 2:26 pm to Peter Buck
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The point is that UGA wouldn't be drilled by good teams if they didn't play them. I hope you can understand the basic concept whilst comparing schedules.
Wow...is that really where the standard has degenerated to?
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But the complaint I keep seeing is that we not beaten anyone. Who has OSU beaten?
That is one level of the complaint. None of the anit-richt arguments stand on a single leg as many like to claim.
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I am guessing you mean michigan. They will probably lose three games when they playe Ohio State at the end of the year....and finish exactly like us. 9-3 with no win against a good team. So...what's the difference? but we need Harbaugh as our coach? I guess because he does the exact same thing, results wise, that Mark Richt does. Has Harbaugh won a National Championship? The exact resons you, and others on this board give for firing Richt....and yet you want Harbaugh.
Oops sorry yeah Michigan.
Never said I wanted Harbaugh. But lets talk about Michigan and some of the contrasting differences between the situations.
Michigan is in year 1 of a new coach, Georgia is in year 15. Can we maybe try and not pretend like they are equivalent scenarios?
Michigan is 0-2 against ranked opponents by a combined total 11 points. Georgia is 0-2 against ranked opponents by a combined total of 52 points.
Michigan has 0 losses against unranked foes, Georgia has 1.
2015 is not the standard. Lets not pretend that Georgia was more than what they were this year, or that they a an unfortunate victim of scheduling though.
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You know what they call it when you lose by 1 point? A loss.
You know what the call it when you lose by 50? A loss.
You know how many losses go on your record when you lose by 1? One.
You know how many losses go on your record when you lose by 50? One.
2012 we lost BIG to South Carolina and STILL almost played for the National Championship.
The record counts the same, but there is a story behind it. I have to believe that outside of the Richt bias you know this is true. If you lose by 4 and are in the game then it's a lot different than losing by 2 and 3 touchdowns. It's just 1 L either way, but play on the field actually does matter. Not because of how it goes down in the history books, but because it shows a general state of the team. In general, high caliber teams don't make a habit of losing by 20.
There are two problems with the 2012 season. 1, it's a good season sandwiched between a bunch of seasons which were not what Georgia's standards should be. The second is that is glosses over the fact that Georgia was just 2-2 against ranked opponents in 2012 so a win over Notre Dame was not a given just because they came up one play short of beating Alabama in the SEC CG. Don't forget that Georgia was just a couple of plays from being upset by 5 win Tennessee and 2 win UK that season too.
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I guess this is going to be the narrative going forward? I'll tell you what....Ban bet. If we beat only one eligible team I leave for good. If we beat two bowl eligible teams you leave forever. Deal?
What kind of asinine drivel is this?
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LSU got drilled by a Top 10 team (Alabama) and then lost to Arkansas. ARKANSAS! And beaten soundly by Arkansas.
I'm sure you have a point in there somewhere, maybe. Are we just going to start throwing out every example that a team/program lost a game and say that it's an equivalent scenario without thinking? So, if you arguing why LSU is still ranked after their blowout losses I will say that LSU also has wins against MSU and Florida to take into consideration, and their "eyeball test" on field play has just been more impressive than UGA has this season.
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Yes. We have. We played every team on our schedule in our division and then added Auburn and Alabama. Isn't that a traditional SEC schedule? Because I was thinking it was. It's a tougher schedule than a lot of other teams.
Maybe I need to revise my earlier assumptions...
What comes to mind when someone says a difficult SEC schedule? Personally it's facing off against multiple ranked teams and at least a couple of others who are on the verge of being ranked. That is the standard which gives the SEC a lot of credibility, and Georgia did not have that this year. It's not their fault that the SEC East outside of Florida isn't very good or that that only one of the two SEC West teams they drew this year were good. They don't get credit for it either though.
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The point is, y'all don't hold other teams and coaches to the same standard when comparing and contrasting. Understanding reality is not the same as accepting it. That is a very difficult thing for some of y'all.
I guess you have a point there. The people who want to stay status quo compare Georgia to Derrick Mason at Vanderbilt. The people who think it's time to move on compare Georgia to the peers it should be on par with.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:53 pm to Dawgs28
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The point is that UGA wouldn't be drilled by good teams if they didn't play them. I hope you can understand the basic concept whilst comparing schedules.
Wow...is that really where the standard has degenerated to?
You are STILL missing his point. It isn't we would be good if we didn't play good teams. his point is that the teams you guys hold in such high regard are not playing good teams either. SURELY you understood what he was saying and are just trying to be obtuse.
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That is one level of the complaint. None of the anit-richt arguments stand on a single leg as many like to claim.
And every complaint can be countered. Not beating good teams? neither are TCU, OSU, Michigan, Iowa etc.
Can't win the National Championship? Neither has Jim Harbaugh...a coach many on this board salivate over. Not at Stanford and not at Michigan, although he is new at Michigan...only time will tell.
Loses big games? Look at Michigan. The only big games he has played he has lost. Les Miles lost to his big opponent, Alabama, then followed that up with a loss to Arkansas!
We can go and on. The point being that you guys hold Georgia...and Richt up to standards that you do not hold other coaches or programs to. There is nothing wrong with Richt...you just want a change because change is exciting and you think we will catch lightening in a bottle. And....it's possible that we could. It's more probable that we won't, though.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 3:55 pm to Dawgs28
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I guess you have a point there. The people who want to stay status quo compare Georgia to Derrick Mason at Vanderbilt. The people who think it's time to move on compare Georgia to the peers it should be on par with.
PLEASE. At least be honest. I've never seen anyone compare Richt to Mason.
Let's be honest here. Go look up how many teams on average finish a year with 10 wins. Then tell us what you come up with. Can you be honest, or are you scared to compare Richt with the rest of college football?
As for your other statement about playing a difficult SEC schedule? that's not what you said. You said a TYPICAL SEC schedule. And Georgia does in deed play a typical SEC schedule. And with Alabama on it this year, we play a more difficult SEC schedule than several teams. You say something, then when we shoot down what you say you want to change your wording.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:08 pm to DawgsLife
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Let's be honest here. Go look up how many teams on average finish a year with 10 wins. Then tell us what you come up with. Can you be honest, or are you scared to compare Richt with the rest of college football?
I have one question for you. In your honest opinion, is a 10 win season a success if it ends in one of the three shitty Florida bowl games? (Citrus, Outback, Gator)
I personally feel a season is not successful if there isn't a SEC championship and/or a Big Six bowl game at the end. 2012 is the only exception to this rule, and even that season felt a little empty in the end.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:09 pm to Dawgs28
You're a Democrat, aren't you? You are incapable of having an honest discussion without putting words in people's mouths, and when proven wrong you want to change the argument.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:17 pm to VADawg
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I personally feel a season is not successful if there isn't a SEC championship and/or a Big Six bowl game at the end. 2012 is the only exception to this rule, and even that season felt a little empty in the end.
So, out of 130+ teams only 12 have successful years?
Alright...let's get something out of the way. There is a difference between having a good year and having a successful year. And I THINK that is where you are going. (Correct me if I am wrong) And, successful years are determined differently for different teams, don't you think? I am thinking that most peoples frustrations are due to not showing improvement. I get that. And...I agree with you. That is my frustration, anyway.
But to call Richt a bad coach, or to call the program a dumpster fire is so off base, don't you think? I mean, honestly. Do you put UGA in the same category as Tennessee 3-10 years ago? Or Florida just a couple of years ago? All I am saying is that Richt is a excellent coach. I am frustrated with the progress. But Richt could do nothing to keep Gurley healthy or out of trouble...or keep Chubb from getting hurt this year. THOSE are the reasons (In my opinion) that we have no shown improvement.
If Chubb stayed healthy, I think we would have seen a different outcome at Tennessee, and POSSIBLY at Florida. Then we would be looking at a8-1 record right now...in the mix for the playoffs and we would have shown improvement. I understand this is my opinion, and YOUR opinion is every bit as valid.
I hope this answered your question. I was not trying to avoid it if I didn't answer it.
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(I get what you mean about 2012, though. It DID feel empty and disappointing. It's one we will always look at with "What if....")
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:35 pm to DawgsLife
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130+ teams only 12 have successful years?
No. Some conference champions don't get an autobid to a big boy bowl game.
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And, successful years are determined differently for different teams, don't you think?
Absolutely. In year 15 under Richt, I believe Georgia should be held to a high standard. We should have the same expectations of teams like LSU, Oklahoma, Michigan, Florida, Florida State, Clemson, etc. Not on Alabama or OSU's level, but the next tier (I'll save the spiel about how I feel Georgia should be on Alabama and OSU's level because of what may be the best recruiting advantage in America). In year 15, we should not be in a rebuild phase. It should be a reload phase. At this point, 9-3 should be a down year and not a solid year.
I'm not a believer in Butch Jones whatsoever. Unless South Carolina absolutely nails their next coaching hire, I expect them to regress into 6-6/7-5 territory. Missouri, Kentucky and Vanderbilt are Missouri, Kentucky and Vanderbilt.
Georgia/Florida should be for the East every year, and there should be absolutely no excuses to lose games 27-3 and 38-10 in year 15.
If there was one of those types of games every 3 years or so, ok. It happens to almost everyone occasionally. The fact that there is at least one game a year where Georgia absolutely embarrasses itself should not be happening.
Georgia should not be losing to teams like Tennessee this year, or Florida last year, or Vanderbilt in 2013. Georgia should be at least competitive in the big games against the big boys, and we need to win some of those games.
10-3 with a berth in the Belk Bowl should not be seen as a great season or a successful season. It should be seen as somewhat of a disappointment.
ETA: We probably do beat Tennessee with a healthy Chubb, but the Florida game was doomed from the start without good QB play.
This post was edited on 11/15/15 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 11/15/15 at 4:41 pm to VADawg
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No. Some conference champions don't get an autobid to a big boy bowl game.
I personally feel a season is not successful if there isn't a SEC championship and/or a Big Six bowl game at the end.
I was just going by what you said. I figured you meant that plus the Playoff, though.
I've GOT to run, but I will look at this tomorrow and try to respond. Thanks for the civil conversation!
Posted on 11/15/15 at 5:34 pm to VADawg
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Absolutely. In year 15 under Richt, I believe Georgia should be held to a high standard.
VA, your post is exactly correct and right on point with one exception.
Playing in the Belk Bowl should be seen as a huge disappointment and a 9 - 3 record with no victories over any team of worth and absolutely having our arse handed to us by Bama and Fla when either game would have laid the groundwork for bigger and better is just undefendable.
That is what you call not getting it done. Finish the drill indeed.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:10 pm to WhopperDawg
So, once a coach has tenure, he is expected to win all his games?
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:46 pm to Peter Buck
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So, once a coach has tenure, he is expected to win all his games?
No, but he should beat teams worth a shite every now and then. With the talent, support and infrastructure in the state and university, we should expect better than Belk Bowls and Outback Bowls.
Posted on 11/15/15 at 7:49 pm to Dawgholio
So, just so I understand the baseline... Is this expectation for every season?
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