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Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:56 am to
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 11:56 am to
Seeing it, also
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
4179 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:08 pm to
where are we seeing this
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3829 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:17 pm to
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hey, to some degree, fell into the success he gave us through no choice of their own.


Right, Kirby fell into offering Stetson Bennett a spot on the roster, not once but twice, while every other major coach, recruiting service and message board analyst either ignored or actively dismissed Stetson's potential. And he fell into letting Stetson Bennett be the starting QB for 32 games, while 2/3 of our gullible fan base and an internet worth of trolls said we'd never win anything with Stetson. And when we did win something, they said we'd never win anything again with Stetson and even railed against Kirby Smart for keeping him as the starter. But Kirby continued to "fall into" success with Stetson.

And Kirby also fell into the generational defenses that played a huge role in winning both of those championships. Fell into coaching guys like Nakobe Dean, Quay Walker and Channing Tindall into the best linebacking corps in college football. Fell into the three freshmen who were 3 of our top 4 receivers in 2021, McConkey, Bowers, and AD Mitchell. Fell into hiring Todd Moncken and Dan Lanning and all the other coaches who contributed to those championships.

Sorry, you're either an outright troll, or somebody who can't understand what it takes to build a championship football team. Yes, Stetson Bennett was developed into a great college qb, and he learned those skills at the University of Georgia under Kirby Smart and company. None of that was anything resembling a fortuitous accident. Those successes were due to excellent management and countless hours of hard work.

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let's not pretend he was "chosen" due to some perceived attributes the coaches saw in him.


That's not pretending, it's exactly what happened. Those "perceived attributes" were exactly why he was on roster to begin with.

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there's no debate that without Bennett (via hook or crook) those 2 back to back championships don't happen.


There's no debate that you apparently don't understand the difference between an undeniable fact and your muddled opinion of what might have happened in some alternative reality without Stetson.

BTW, now that you're such a outspoken advocate for Stetson's talent, can you point us to any examples of your recognition of that potential while he was coming along during his UGA career, before 2020 when Kirby first "fell into" making him the starting QB? Even something simple like this from Feb 2017, before he arrived on campus will suffice.

New PWO QB

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This kid's not very big but he can wing it and looks pretty accurate, at least on highlights. Reminds me of Aaron Murray the way he moves around and lets it fly.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 3:03 pm
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5982 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 12:53 pm to
No way they let manning go. Ewers maybe but no way manning leaves
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13477 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:43 pm to
Both are shopping for leverage… with agents. It’s a nasty business
Posted by MacDawg
Austin, TX
Member since Nov 2015
396 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:53 pm to
Not a fan of where college football is now. Worse than the pros, IMO, with the NIL and the Portal with no guardrails.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 1:54 pm
Posted by LonghornCheekClapper
In a fever dream
Member since Dec 2024
859 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Why am I seeing smoke about a certain Texas backup QB and Dawgs…

There’s no way…
Posted by Dawgman77
Statham
Member since Sep 2012
747 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:54 pm to
Its time the NCAA put caps on NIL on a per team basis.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13477 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 1:55 pm to
Texas fans are figs and eat overcooked beef. Agree?
Posted by MacDawg
Austin, TX
Member since Nov 2015
396 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Its time the NCAA put caps on NIL on a per team basis.


That and some restrictions on transfers.
Posted by theRealJesseD
Member since Nov 2021
4179 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
21983 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:03 pm to
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overcooked beef
If you’re talking about brisket I am gonna have to stick up for the Horns
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13477 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:11 pm to
Overcooked beef is not BBQ. It’s stew.
Posted by AllDawgCK
Athens
Member since Oct 2017
2391 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:32 pm to
Cuz people are weird and want attention is my guess
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3829 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 2:33 pm to
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Its time the NCAA put caps on NIL on a per team basis.


Short of a complete reversal in court rulings, that won't happen. The courts have said that athletes' rights to profit from their NIL can't be infringed or regulated. That's also true for NFL athletes, movie stars, or anybody else. The difference between college and the NFL is that NFL players' NIL earnings actually are based on the value of their name, image, or likeness, not pay for play. Presumably, no 3rd parties pay NFL players money to keep them on roster, because they're drafted and under contract and can't go elsewhere unless they negotiate their way out of the contract or wait til it expires. I won't swear that it actually works that way, because maybe it's theoretically possible some pro teams could use "NIL" to get around salary caps.

There's only one path now that will end, or at least limit, the influence of NIL money in the current "big money" version of college sports and that's make college ball very similar to the pro leagues. First, get an anti-trust exemption from the congress. Then, a draft process, players union, contracts, free agency, etc., etc. At what point it becomes clear that this has nothing to do with education, I don't know.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 2:55 pm
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5622 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:33 pm to
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Short of a complete reversal in court rulings, that won't happen. The courts have said that athletes' rights to profit from their NIL can't be infringed or regulated. That's also true for NFL athletes, movie stars, or anybody else.


Starting in June or July, supposedly there's going to be more scrutiny on NIL deals. Not just pay to play, but more of a give and take. To what extent, nobody knows yet.
Posted by MacDawg
Austin, TX
Member since Nov 2015
396 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:47 pm to
They aren't getting NIL money. By that I mean there are very few players that are getting marketing deals based on their Name, Image and Likeness. What is happening now is doner money is getting funneled into large funds, "collectives", and players are literally getting paid signing bonuses to sign/ play at that school.

So, while NIL cannot be regulated, the above which is what is actually happening absolutely can.

And the player can still seek NIL marketing deals on the side.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
70190 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 3:50 pm to
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Overcooked beef is not BBQ. It’s stew.


This needs to be addressed on the SEC Rant, I implore you to do so. They are down bad right now. Now is the time to kick them.
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
5622 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 4:19 pm to
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They aren't getting NIL money. By that I mean there are very few players that are getting marketing deals based on their Name, Image and Likeness. What is happening now is doner money is getting funneled into large funds, "collectives", and players are literally getting paid signing bonuses to sign/ play at that school.

So, while NIL cannot be regulated, the above which is what is actually happening absolutely can.

And the player can still seek NIL marketing deals on the side.



I'm wrong a lot, but I'm thinking the universities will have a 12 million dollar salary cap and anything after that would have to be more legitimate NIL partnerships.
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
3829 posts
Posted on 1/11/25 at 4:34 pm to
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anything after that would have to be more legitimate NIL partnerships.


It's that last phrase that causes the problem. I think it will be next to impossible to determine what constitutes a legitimate business expenditure. Companies spend all kinds of money on advertising, branding, public relations. There's no easily defined ROI formula to determine how much those things are worth in terms of goodwill or branding. In a publicly traded company, the shareholders decide whether management is using good strategy to increase the value of their stock, but even then any analysis is rarely directed at a specific marketing strategy unless they do something really stupid. For private companies, who's going to analyze their deals and authoritatively say whether it's legitimate NIL or pay for play? I don't see how that can be done.
This post was edited on 1/11/25 at 4:40 pm
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