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re: Playoff Rankings

Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:31 am to
Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 7:31 am to
there's a few things I have issues with in this poll but ultimately I have a hard time getting worked up about it considering it's the initial poll and the actual one that matters won't look anythign like this. They've gotten it right every year at the end so I'm not really sweating this first one.

The #1 and #2 spots are going to be stone cold 100% locked in come this Sunday so whoever is 1-3 right now is irrelevant. 2 other top 5 teams play each other later this month as well, and the uga/ut winner will end up playing another top 6 team. It'll all work itself out.
Posted by og8790
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
52 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 8:07 am to
Rankings this week are meaningless. Whoever wins this weekend will be #1 next week. With that said, the Dawgs are gonna be choppin' some wood this weekend!
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42654 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:00 am to
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How about 1 loss Ole Miss ranked behind 2 loss LSU when Rebels humiliated lsu at home 2 weeks ago? Oh Geez. I really wonder why they did that.


I think LSU is overrated at 10 for sure, but also, Ole Miss hasn’t beaten anybody and got trounced by LSU.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41724 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:09 am to
Putting OSU over us is a bad move, but otherwise, I don't really care. If we're really #1, we'll show it this weekend and be rewarded in the next rankings.

What matters is being in the top 4 in the final ranking before the playoffs begin.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:12 am to
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whoever is 1-3 right now is irrelevant.

Disagree completely

Tennessee‘a regular season is over after this Saturday. If they lose to Georgia, they’re still in the top 4 thanks to starting at #1 and will have a good shot at making the playoff without even going to Atlanta. If Georgia were to lose Saturday, we’d drop out of top 4 and have no leverage to get back into it barring some serious chaos.

Clemson isn’t going to lose. Tennessee stays in top 4 win or lose Saturday. Either Michigan or OH state will finish undefeated. Leaving one spot for TCU, Alabama, Loser of OH st/Michigan, Oregon, USC, and Georgia. Most of whom will play for a conference championship unlike us .

So…..Theres no way around it. We have to beat UT Saturday, or we most likely miss the playoff. It’s that simple. So be it. Maybe it’s better this way. But it’s an incredible pile of bullshite that the the AP voters, the coaches, and vegas all have Dawgs ahead of vols, but because a “committee” wants to spice things up for buzz, we get put to the side at f’n #3 when UT and OH state haven’t blown out a current top 10 team like we did.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25753 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:21 am to
If Tennessee loses, style points matter.

@pitt
Uf

And then how they look against
Mizzou
@southcarolina (night game?)
@vandy

The playoff committee won't be looking to do Tennessee any favors.
If they deserve top 4, they would get top 4. But that is as much other teams screwing up than Tennessee fighting their way back in.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:24 am to
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If they lose to Georgia, they’re still in the top 4 thanks to starting at #1 and will have a good shot at making the playoff without even going to Atlanta.


this is the point I continue to hammer year after year...you simply cannot say that one way or the other without knowing who the other P5 champs are. Period. If you have four P5 conference champions with 0/1 loss, they are in and UT is out. NEver in playoff history has a non-conf winner made the playoffs over a P5 champ with an equal record. Never been done.

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Tennessee stays in top 4 win or lose Saturday


they very well might. It's still irrelevant until after CCGs are played. The committee judges based on resumes, not "best teams". CCG Weekend is a massive, monumental notch on a team's resume adn the rankings will bare that out accordingly. UT could be 3 or 4 (after losing ot us) going into CCG weekend and get left out entirely that Sunday as other P5 champs move up.

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So…..Theres no way around it. We have to beat UT Saturday, or we most likely miss the playoff.


If we don't win our division then yeah, we will likely miss the playoff unless there is a lack of worthy P5 champs. Which we have seen before.

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But it’s an incredible pile of bull shite that the the AP voters, the coaches, and vegas all have Dawgs ahead of vols, but because a “committee” wants to spice things up for buzz, we get put to the side at f’n #3 when UT and OH state haven’t blown out a current top 10 team like we did.


Again I just don't udnerstnad the gnashing of teeth on this. If UT or UGA want to make the playoffs, they're going to have to either win the SEC, or if they do not win the SECCG they're going ot need other P5 champs to have multiple losses. That's the case now just liek it was last week, last month, and will be a month from now.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
21860 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:40 am to
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Clemson isn’t going to lose.


They have looked like poo all year and they are traveling to ND this Saturday….I wouldnt “isn’t” because they could lose that game. Also, who knows what will happen in the ACCCG….
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 9:59 am to
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Again I just don't udnerstnad the gnashing of teeth on this.

Facts don’t cease to be facts just because someone doesn’t understand them. How are we not falling off the surface of the earth and spinning off into outer space? I have no idea. You’ll say , “Ooh it’s cuz gravity”. Okay, great, how does gravity work? I don’t have a clue, and neither do you. This thing thing with cfp fiasco rankings last night is much easier to understand though

Having been ranked #1 in AP and Coaches for the near entirety of the first 9 weeks, Georgia would be in a much stronger position had they rightfully continued as #1 into the cfp rankings.

Basic math shows that it’s further from the #1 spot to the #5 spot than from any other spot at top of rankings.
So there’s room to stumble

This can pay off big time like it did for us last year, and like it has done for Alabama before .

But since the committee is smarter than the AP, the Coaches, and Las Vegas, Tennessee will get the potential benefit instead rather than Georgia.

The only thing Tennessee did to deserve it was to be a new shiny object, the new flavor of the week that hasn’t had a chance in playoffs yet. This is what the commie concept of equity looks like, and you are cheering it on. I’m going to vomit

Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86550 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:09 am to
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Facts don’t cease to be facts just because someone doesn’t understand them.


Oh I agree. It's why I post a thread annually to inform people on how the committee operates since they haven't deviated yet in 8 years yet some people still don't get it.

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Basic math shows that it’s further from the #1 spot to the #5 spot than from any other spot at top of rankings.
So there’s room to stumble


the committee ranks based on a team's resume at that exact point in time through that part of the season. Tennessee objectively has the best resume in CFB right now, thus they are #1. I do think us and OSU should be swtiched but again, it's irrelevant right now. "Stumbling room" is fun to watch week after week but it truly doens't matter until after CCG weekend.


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This can pay off big time like it did for us last year, and like it has done for Alabama before. But since the committee is smarter than the AP, the Coaches, and Las Vegas, Tennessee will get the potential benefit instead rather than Georgia.


This just isn't apples to apples at all. Last year we were undefeated and #1 heading in to CCG and lost. The only reason we still made the playoffs is becuase there wasn't a viable replacemnet to put over us after OkSt got upset in the big 12 title game. In 2017 alabama made the playoffs wiht 1 loss above a conf champion that had 2 losses (1 of which was an atrocious loss). In 2022, if UT loses to us and doesn't play int he CCG, the only prayer they have whatseover of making the playoffs is to have other P5 champs have multiple losses. Same as any other year. If there are four P5 champs with 0/1 loss, UT is out. Period. Done. Set in stone. And whether they are ranked 1 or 2 or 3 as of right this minute doesn't change any of that.

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The only thing Tennessee did to deserve it was to be a new shiny object, the new flavor of the week that hasn’t had a chance in playoffs yet.


Their best wins are 1) close over alabama 2) beatdown at LSU 3) beatdown over kentucky. Our 3 best wins are 1) beatdown over oregon 2) uh, beatdown of SC, I guess? they used to be ranked 25th last week 3) Florida? They are only .500 and unranked but they have name appeal



Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31968 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:41 am to
Do I need to link the Al Pacino speech from Any given Sunday? This is a game of inches. And two spots in the rankings is a lot more than a couple of inches. It’s potentially the Grand Canyon. This stupid first ranking can be the difference between back to back national championships for us and a Sugar Bowl against TCU or something. And you’re just gonna concede the inch?frick that.

Also, you can think Tennessee deserves #1 all you want, but when they are a 9 point dog to us on Saturday and Georgia is still #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls, it’s safe to say that the committee’s rankings are controversial. Or probably more accurately, a f’n tv gimmick.

Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86550 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:48 am to
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This is a game of inches. And two spots in the rankings is a lot more than a couple of inches. It’s potentially the Grand Canyon.


did you feel the same way in August regarding the preseason polls? What's the difference? As more games are played, we have more info to go on and resumes are strengthened or weakened. We have 5 full weeks of games left to be played so no, I don't really think a ranking right now means a whole heck of a lot in terms of who makes the playoffs.

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This stupid first ranking can be the difference between back to back national championships for us and a Sugar Bowl against TCU or something.


No, but whoever wins each P5 conference sure could.

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Also, you can think Tennessee deserves #1 all you want, but when they are a 9 point dog to us on Saturday and Georgia is still #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls, it’s safe to say that the committee’s rankings are controversial


vegas is in the business of making money. the committee is in teh business of choosing the most desreving resumes. Those 2 things are not going to always be in alignment. The AP and coaches generally don't make big splashy moves, so the fact that UGA started the season in the top 2 and hasn't lost, while UT started way in the back but keeps winnning, is why we remain #1 in those polls. Vegas thinks UGA is the better team (so do I), which is why they've set lines accordingly. The committee thinks UT has a better resume right now than us, which I also agree with. All of the above can coexist with each other.

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Or probably more accurately, a f’n tv gimmick.



what is the gimmick? If we were #1 and UT was #2, does that really make any difference if UT is 1 and we're 3rd? If it was a TV gimmick wouldn't they want this game to be 1 vs 2? And what does the playoff committee care about neilson ratings?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86550 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 10:56 am to
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Basic math shows that it’s further from the #1 spot to the #5 spot than from any other spot at top of rankings.
So there’s room to stumble


Here's another issue I have with this. The committee in their intial ranking shows us that wins and losses matter. They don't put "eye test" above all else. Bama is a prime example here. IS there anyone on earth that thinks bama wouldn't absoultely demolish the shite out of clemson if they palyed thsi weekend? Probably not. It'd be a massacre. Yet clemson is ranked higher, simply due to being undefeated while bama has a loss. So the whole "UT is ranked 1st so they won't drop that far with a loss" thing....why not? Doesn't it stand to reason that if we win this weekend UT would be no better than 5th? UGA/OSU would certainly be 1/2, while clemson and michigan would be 3/4 would they not? And UT would have to be ranked above bama due to having the same record but a head to head win.

The committe isn't the archaic coaches poll that feels like you can only move someone up or down a certain number of spots based on some unknown criteria. If UT loses this weekend why would they still be in the top 4 with a loss over an undefeated clemson/michigan, both of which are currently above a 1 loss bama?
Posted by Dawgsfan81
Winder, Georgia
Member since Sep 2017
915 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 11:09 am to
Dawgs take care of business on Saturday, doesn't matter.

Who is #1 in the first poll doesn't matter. It is who is raising that trophy after the NCG.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
60500 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 2:54 pm to
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But since the committee is smarter than the AP, the Coaches, and Las Vegas, Tennessee will get the potential benefit instead rather than Georgia.

Isn't it fascinating that there's an apparent "Georgia fatigue" factor already, even though we never experienced the Bama version that was richly deserved?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64168 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 3:18 pm to
I don't think it is Georgia Fatigue as much as it's the media loving the new girl. Hell, if Bama had made their last minute field goal vs Tenn, it would be TCU getting drooled over right now. It's just the New Girl factor.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86550 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 3:18 pm to
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Isn't it fascinating that there's an apparent "Georgia fatigue" factor already, even though we never experienced the Bama version that was richly deserved?


Wanna know the initial rankings in 2017?



There's undefeated UGA over an undefeated alabama, despite bama starting the year #1 and us 15th.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86550 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 3:21 pm to
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Hell, if Bama had made their last minute field goal vs Tenn,


the rankings would be almost identical only with UT being somewhere between 6-8 and bama being somewhere between 1-2.

TCU's current ranking compared to their ranking if bama beat UT wouldn't change by more than a spot if at all.


You mention UT being #1 simply becuase they're new and shiny but again...who has a better resume than them? It's not really even that close honestly. They have by far the best resume and they would whether their name was Tennesese, Notre Dame, or anyone else.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 11/2/22 at 5:08 pm to
I just remember LSU losing to a bad FSU, UT struggling with Pitt and UF Bama struggling with Texas and Tamu....

Its a smoke screen.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86550 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 7:51 am to
A smoke screen for what?
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