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re: OT: GSB Primary/Political Stuff (Vote in bold)
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:01 pm to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:01 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:12 pm to Litigator
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Donald J. Trump
?@realDonaldTrump
The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
Sterilize all Trump supporters.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:15 pm to Dawgsontop34
If Bernie somehow gets the nomination (like if Hilary dies or gets RFK'd before election time) I will vote for him.
If Hilary gets the nomination my ticket will look funny voting for a Republican presidential candidate while voting for mostly democrats for other offices.
If somehow both Hilary and Cruz get the nomination I'll vote for the random 3rd party on the ticket.
However if no 3rd party is on the ticket or the third party candidate is that jackass Bloomberg I'll write in a candidate for President.
If somehow that is not allowed I'll break the machine you are to use to vote on and leave.
If Hilary gets the nomination my ticket will look funny voting for a Republican presidential candidate while voting for mostly democrats for other offices.
If somehow both Hilary and Cruz get the nomination I'll vote for the random 3rd party on the ticket.
However if no 3rd party is on the ticket or the third party candidate is that jackass Bloomberg I'll write in a candidate for President.
If somehow that is not allowed I'll break the machine you are to use to vote on and leave.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:21 pm to grey
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Sterilize all Trump supporters.
Only if we first sterilize all of Hilary's and Cruz's supporters.
Hell we should also sterilize everyone who was supporting Jeb when he was running.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 9:56 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I'm definitely not voting Bernie, I'll probably vote third party
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:19 pm to grey
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:20 pm to grey
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Sterilize all Trump supporters
Finally a sound plan for utopian sustainability!!
Sterilize the producers you plan on stealing from so that they can't create other producers for you to steal from. In the future.
fricking moron.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:25 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Sterilize the producers you plan on stealing from so that they can't create other producers for you to steal from. In the future.
So for you out there keeping score.
If you pay in like 1,000 or 2,000 in taxes and you somehow manage to get 9,000 back. Read above
Might want to rethink that sterilize plan
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:32 pm to grey
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Donald J. Trump
?@realDonaldTrump
The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.
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Sterilize all Trump supporters.
Are the Polar Ice caps actually melting like what was described in the AL Gore movies in which he profited immensely or was that all just a bunch of hogwash bullshite?
NASA reported on this earlier this year.....
Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:46 pm to PNW
Some of Bernie's ideas I think are pretty decent. But then there are others that I could just never get behind.
As of now, I'm for Rubio. I just don't like any of the candidates this year on either side, and I believe Rubio is the best and most moderate of the bunch with a chance of winning (Kasich more moderate but has no chance).
As of now, I'm for Rubio. I just don't like any of the candidates this year on either side, and I believe Rubio is the best and most moderate of the bunch with a chance of winning (Kasich more moderate but has no chance).
Posted on 2/25/16 at 6:11 am to dawgfan24348
Socialist concepts and free market concepts can't coexist and work together. Why people don't get this is baffling.
For instance, Bernie wants free healthcare for all. He says under a single payer system with no competition, he can control the costs of healthcare services. Like forcing all doctors and hospitals to be in one "network" with one set of pre-determined procedural costs. But that isn't possible and let me explain why.
This country spent $3 trillion on healthcare in 2015. Bernie says he can cut that in half and get that down to only $1.5 trillion per year. Hence why he says his tax plan will only raise $15 trillion to pay for everyone's free healthcare over the next decade. So the idea is, if you go to a doctor and get an x-ray now, if they charge you $300, he will change this and mandate they can only charge you $150.
But here's the problem........
The doctor and hospital and x-ray service will each make 100% less than before because they are under "controlled" mandated cost limits, but all the overhead that is based on free market supply and demand concepts are still the same. Like the power bill to keep the electricity on at the doctors office or hospital. The food services. The linen needs for beds and gowns. The manufacturing parts for the x-ray machine. All the millions of necessary medical tools, equipment, and utensils. The gas in ambulances. And so on and so on.
All those things are priced based on the free market. But Bernie wants to mandate what doctors and hospitals can charge to control costs. Well what happens when overhead to run the business is more than what he will allow them to charge? He will HAVE to allow them to charge more or they go out of business.
This is why cutting healthcare from $3 trillion to $1.5 trillion by mandating what businesses can charge who are still subject to free market overhead costs isn't possible. This is why socialism and free market capitalism can't coexist. This is why countries that try this are failing miserably to provide quality services and are deficit spending themselves into debt oblivion.
This is also why we are under-funded by over $100 trillion in our entitlement liabilities. Medicare, social security, welfare, etc. AND... just look at the corruption involved when the government is the single payer mandate. Look at the current VA and Medicare for perfect examples of corruption and shite quality when the government has exclusivity of control.
"Democratic Socialism" is a farce as a result. Which is why Bernie is a joke. His tax plan is shite and nowhere close to plausible. He literally believes "Trickle UP Economics" is a viable concept for helping this country too. Which is beyond absurd. Never in history has a country prospered and risen to success on the back of welfare, redistribution of wealth, and government run business.
Yes, we have a huge problem with wealth pooling and an increasing income earnings gap. But the solution is creating laws that end donor class influence on policy while keeping a completely free market system. Reducing federal power and getting back to state's rights. If the donors can't influence policy and control the flow of competition and money, the free market will fix itself. End corruption and wealth pooling will come to a stop.
For instance, Bernie wants free healthcare for all. He says under a single payer system with no competition, he can control the costs of healthcare services. Like forcing all doctors and hospitals to be in one "network" with one set of pre-determined procedural costs. But that isn't possible and let me explain why.
This country spent $3 trillion on healthcare in 2015. Bernie says he can cut that in half and get that down to only $1.5 trillion per year. Hence why he says his tax plan will only raise $15 trillion to pay for everyone's free healthcare over the next decade. So the idea is, if you go to a doctor and get an x-ray now, if they charge you $300, he will change this and mandate they can only charge you $150.
But here's the problem........
The doctor and hospital and x-ray service will each make 100% less than before because they are under "controlled" mandated cost limits, but all the overhead that is based on free market supply and demand concepts are still the same. Like the power bill to keep the electricity on at the doctors office or hospital. The food services. The linen needs for beds and gowns. The manufacturing parts for the x-ray machine. All the millions of necessary medical tools, equipment, and utensils. The gas in ambulances. And so on and so on.
All those things are priced based on the free market. But Bernie wants to mandate what doctors and hospitals can charge to control costs. Well what happens when overhead to run the business is more than what he will allow them to charge? He will HAVE to allow them to charge more or they go out of business.
This is why cutting healthcare from $3 trillion to $1.5 trillion by mandating what businesses can charge who are still subject to free market overhead costs isn't possible. This is why socialism and free market capitalism can't coexist. This is why countries that try this are failing miserably to provide quality services and are deficit spending themselves into debt oblivion.
This is also why we are under-funded by over $100 trillion in our entitlement liabilities. Medicare, social security, welfare, etc. AND... just look at the corruption involved when the government is the single payer mandate. Look at the current VA and Medicare for perfect examples of corruption and shite quality when the government has exclusivity of control.
"Democratic Socialism" is a farce as a result. Which is why Bernie is a joke. His tax plan is shite and nowhere close to plausible. He literally believes "Trickle UP Economics" is a viable concept for helping this country too. Which is beyond absurd. Never in history has a country prospered and risen to success on the back of welfare, redistribution of wealth, and government run business.
Yes, we have a huge problem with wealth pooling and an increasing income earnings gap. But the solution is creating laws that end donor class influence on policy while keeping a completely free market system. Reducing federal power and getting back to state's rights. If the donors can't influence policy and control the flow of competition and money, the free market will fix itself. End corruption and wealth pooling will come to a stop.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 6:26 am to BeefDawg
That settles it! I am writing in BeefDawg!
Excellent post. I cringe every time I hear the word "free" associated with any service or product. The most basic, first thing that any econ class I ever took began with is the understanding that there is no such thing as a "free lunch."
Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:02 am to Rounder1
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ernie Sanders is the fricking man. Healthcare and education should be rights to all US citizens
The perfect solution for you is already out there..join the military or work your arse off and get into a military academy. You can earn degrees, free healthcare, guaranteed employment, and if you stick with it taxpayers even pay your retirement! I know it's not what you want to hear because it requires you to have some skin in the game and have some responsibility rather than making me and my family pay for it while you use your money on frat parties and pot. Have you really thought about what you are saying? What good is a college degree if its everyone's right to have one? It's no better than a high school diploma. The purpose of higher education, used correctly, is to prepare and give yourself a competitive advantage in the work force. Unfortunately, your trading your brain cells for votes to keep in power a system that never has or never will work. Nothing is "free" somebody is paying somewhere down the line.
I'll address your Trump comment later, if you wish.
ernie Sanders is the fricking man. Healthcare and education should be rights to all US citizens
The perfect solution for you is already out there..join the military or work your arse off and get into a military academy. You can earn degrees, free healthcare, guaranteed employment, and if you stick with it taxpayers even pay your retirement! I know it's not what you want to hear because it requires you to have some skin in the game and have some responsibility rather than making me and my family pay for it while you use your money on frat parties and pot. Have you really thought about what you are saying? What good is a college degree if its everyone's right to have one? It's no better than a high school diploma. The purpose of higher education, used correctly, is to prepare and give yourself a competitive advantage in the work force. Unfortunately, your trading your brain cells for votes to keep in power a system that never has or never will work. Nothing is "free" somebody is paying somewhere down the line.
I'll address your Trump comment later, if you wish.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 7:40 am to BeefDawg
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This is why cutting healthcare from $3 trillion to $1.5 trillion by mandating what businesses can charge who are still subject to free market overhead costs isn't possible. This is why socialism and free market capitalism can't coexist. This is why countries that try this are failing miserably to provide quality services and are deficit spending themselves into debt oblivion.
The other primary issue with the rising cost of healthcare is frivolous lawsuits. Every time a doctor or nurse makes a mistake or if someone dies someone always gets blamed and hospitals get sued and not for small amounts of money. When you work in the business of peoples lives......that's always going to be a problem but at the same time it's a big reason for skyrocketing medical costs.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:08 am to Prettyboy Floyd
So let's tell doctors who are making $100 on an office visit you're only allowed to make $50 now, but guess what, you can't get sued any longer if you screw up. A bureaucrat filled committee will determine your punishment instead.
Who the hell wants to go through 7+ years of college, run up $300+ thousand in loan debt, just to make half as much as before and be under the scrutiny of politically appointed committees?
We will stop getting quality doctors and healthcare professionals and the system will spiral down the drain. All while still being massively under-funded, leading us further into national debt, and destroying our economy even quicker.
Who the hell wants to go through 7+ years of college, run up $300+ thousand in loan debt, just to make half as much as before and be under the scrutiny of politically appointed committees?
We will stop getting quality doctors and healthcare professionals and the system will spiral down the drain. All while still being massively under-funded, leading us further into national debt, and destroying our economy even quicker.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:17 am to Jefferson Dawg
Lol Trump supporters are mouthbreathing plebs. If you can't think critically, I doubt you're of any use to society.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:24 am to BeefDawg
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This is why cutting healthcare from $3 trillion to $1.5 trillion by mandating what businesses can charge who are still subject to free market overhead costs isn't possible. This is why socialism and free market capitalism can't coexist. This is why countries that try this are failing miserably to provide quality services and are deficit spending themselves into debt oblivion.
That right there is how socialism becomes communism. Socialism will eventually realize that it cannot control the cost, price, quality, quantity, etc of an end item or service unless it can also control all inputs that go into its manufacture or offering. The Socialist response to ineffectual control is to becomes Communist.
Communism is basically a last ditch attempt at trying to hold onto what were originally only Socialist ideas. It always fails and usually pretty damn hard.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 8:26 am to Dawgsontop34
The two candidates I am vehemently against are Trump and Clinton for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with at least an average IQ.
If I had to vote today, I'd likely lean towards Sanders. I think he is the most genuine candidate running and wouldn't compromise who he is just to get elected which can't be said for Cruz or Rubio. I also don't think there is a chance in hell Sanders socialist policies would make it through congress. Idealistically, I agree with a lot of what he has to say but history has proven time and time again that the federal government is not capable of running an efficient, well-managed program on a mass scale. Just look at the VA and it tells you all you need to know about government run health care.
If I had to vote today, I'd likely lean towards Sanders. I think he is the most genuine candidate running and wouldn't compromise who he is just to get elected which can't be said for Cruz or Rubio. I also don't think there is a chance in hell Sanders socialist policies would make it through congress. Idealistically, I agree with a lot of what he has to say but history has proven time and time again that the federal government is not capable of running an efficient, well-managed program on a mass scale. Just look at the VA and it tells you all you need to know about government run health care.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:14 am to Fats
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least an average IQ
Trump didn't get to where he is by having an average IQ and those that support him know this.
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If I had to vote today, I'd likely lean towards Sanders. I think he is the most genuine candidate running and wouldn't compromise who he is just to get elected which can't be said for Cruz or Rubio.
And you are knocking other peoples IQ and you say shite like this? Sanders doesn't need to compromise who he is. The problem is....WHO HE IS. What he represents.
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I also don't think there is a chance in hell Sanders socialist policies would make it through congress
Then why in the frick would you vote for him?
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I agree with a lot of what he has to say but history has proven time and time again that the federal government is not capable of running an efficient, well-managed program on a mass scale. Just look at the VA and it tells you all you need to know about government run health care.
Yet you are suggesting you plan to vote for Bernie Sanders and you have the audacity to suggest people who support Hillary or Trump have a low IQ. Jesus Christ
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 9:25 am
Posted on 2/25/16 at 9:27 am to Prettyboy Floyd
Damn, you are an angry person. It's not worth getting this mad about.
I'm not saying Trump has a low IQ but the man speaks in generalities and many of the things he is promising to do aren't feasible and have racist undertones. His entire campaign relies on ignorance and anger. The man is a megalomaniac and is more likely to cause national unrest than do anything positive.
I'd support Sanders by a process of elimination. He is the only politician (left in the race) who stands by what he believes in and seems to generally care about people. The character of the president is equally important to me as his policies. I don't support "free college / health care" because nothing in this world is free but I do think he could push to make the US a better place to live as it relates to workplace rights (PTO, maternity/paternity leave, etc.) and other basic rights we should have. Student loans shouldn't be forgiven but is it criminal that most of them start at 6.9% interest (while interest rates are at an all time low) despite the fact they are very low risk as they aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy. These are things I think he would fight for that most of the other candidates could give two shits about.
I'm not saying Trump has a low IQ but the man speaks in generalities and many of the things he is promising to do aren't feasible and have racist undertones. His entire campaign relies on ignorance and anger. The man is a megalomaniac and is more likely to cause national unrest than do anything positive.
I'd support Sanders by a process of elimination. He is the only politician (left in the race) who stands by what he believes in and seems to generally care about people. The character of the president is equally important to me as his policies. I don't support "free college / health care" because nothing in this world is free but I do think he could push to make the US a better place to live as it relates to workplace rights (PTO, maternity/paternity leave, etc.) and other basic rights we should have. Student loans shouldn't be forgiven but is it criminal that most of them start at 6.9% interest (while interest rates are at an all time low) despite the fact they are very low risk as they aren't dischargeable in bankruptcy. These are things I think he would fight for that most of the other candidates could give two shits about.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 9:43 am
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