re: OT: Corona Panic 2020

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Why would you do this?

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The pollen is brutal here. It was also a joke... I do sneeze loud though.

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The death toll is closing in on H1N1 fast... is Rush still using that as a talking point?

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The 2009 swine flu pandemic or swine flu was an influenza pandemic that lasted from January 2009 to August 2010, and the second of the two pandemics involving H1N1 influenza virus (the first being the 1918–1920 Spanish flu pandemic), albeit a new strain. First described in April 2009, the virus appeared to be a new strain of H1N1, which resulted from a previous triple reassortment of bird, swine, and human flu viruses further combined with a Eurasian pig flu virus,[9] leading to the term "swine flu".[10] Some studies estimated that 11 to 21 percent of the global population at the time – or around 700 million to 1.4 billion people (out of a total of 6.8 billion) – contracted the illness. This was more than the number of people infected by the Spanish flu pandemic,[6][11] but only resulted in about 150,000 to 575,000 fatalities for the 2009 pandemic.[12] A follow-up study done in September 2010 showed that the risk of serious illness resulting from the 2009 H1N1 flu was no higher than that of the yearly seasonal flu.[13] For comparison, the WHO estimates that 250,000 to 500,000 people die of seasonal flu annually.[8]

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So we're "closing in" on 284,000-575,000 deaths? (CDC estimates of H1N1 death totals)

We're at ~35,000 right now, and you're taking jabs at Rush Limbaugh with bullshite like this?

We're at roughly 5-10% of total cases and 7-12% of deaths, and we got clowns acting like they're almost giddy about it so they can make wildly incorrect statements and turn it into a political volley.

This is what I'm talking about. You TDS people are so fricked in the head.

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So we're "closing in" on 284,000-575,000 deaths? (CDC estimates of H1N1 death totals)

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There's a substantial difference between *confirmed* deaths. and after the fact estimates. I'm not saying one way or the other where we'll end up, but it's wildly disingenuous to try and equate the two if that's what you're doing here.

How many undocumented h1n1 deaths were there? We didn't even get a state of emergency here until 1000 confirmed deaths. Nobody took it too seriously in the beginning. I think alot more CV deaths are being accounted for due to hypervigilence globally.

56,000 in US to match last season's flu numbers. If it ends up being on the same level as the flu, then all of this was bullshite. If it ends up being worse, then all of this was justified.

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Was just wondering if there will be a death toll bench mark where people will say “maybe this wasn’t a vast, global conspiracy by the media to git Trump”. What is your number?

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This is retarded.

There is already a beyond obvious hyper-sensationalized difference in media reporting and politicization between this event and H1N1 to a staggering degree.

I mean let us know where they tried to rename H1N1 to "The Obama Virus", and then tried to blame him for letting 1,000 people die before taking action #1, or blame him for the 18,000+ confirmed deaths from it in the US, and I'll concede your point.


And these virus's need to have a bit of subjective comparison to show their relevance.

H1N1 killed 5-64 year olds. 80-85% of the deaths were in that age range.

CV19 is killing 65+. Nearly 85% of confirmed deaths are 65 or older.

So are more people likely going to die from CV19 in the end? Well probably, because it's targeting elderly and unhealthy people.

So what was more dangerous? The one that killed young healthy people, including children? Or the one that killed older unhealthy people?


And ultimately, we know for a fact that 250,000-500,000 people die annually from the typical flu.

If 500,000-1,000,000 people die from CV19, you're trying to tell me we shut down the world and crashed economies, including ours, for something only as bad to double what the typical flu is?

And then 90% of the media and Leftwing politico's tried to politicize it and blame it on Trump?

GTFO

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There's a substantial difference between *confirmed* deaths. and after the fact estimates. I'm not saying one way or the other where we'll end up, but it's wildly disingenuous to try and equate the two if that's what you're doing here.

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How so?

H1N1 confirmed to have killed at least 18,000 in the US.

Right now, we have confirmed ~2,500 deaths from CV19 in the US, and we got someone here acting almost giddy and claiming 2,500 "is closing in on" 18,000, just so they can take a jab at Rush fricking Limbaugh.

My point remains either way... estimates or confirmed, 2,500 isn't "closing in" on 18,000, and politicizing this shite is fricked up.

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Could it be that this is a lot worse than the regular Flu and H1N1 and that Trump has done a good job overall in handling this?

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Look, if 375,000 people between ages 1-64 die of the flu in a typical year, and 750,000 people age 65+ die of CV19, out of a population of nearly 7 billion, I think I'd lean towards CV19 not being as bad, purely from a practical standpoint.

I'd be just as heartbroken from an emotional standpoint knowing that so many of our elders lost their lives, and i'd feel terrible for their families and loved-ones.

BUT, from a purely practical sense, younger people dying seems worse to me than older people dying.

Maybe you're different, but that's just how I feel. Both suck, either way.

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So are more people likely going to die from CV19 in the end? Well probably, because it's targeting elderly and unhealthy people.

So what was more dangerous? The one that killed young healthy people, including children? Or the one that killed older unhealthy people?

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Pretty much my perspective. All lives matter but if you consider the the normal death rate of people 80 and over is about 6%, then you have to objectively recognize that these people are more likely to die from normal causes since the death rate from the virus in the U.S. is currently 1.63%.
And I would add that when you consider the long life expectancy of a child or young healthy people in general, there's little doubt that H1V1 is much more dangerous in terms of it's impact on total years of life expectancy.

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Blaming the Liberal media is politicizing it. Using H1N1 stats as a benchmark and then changing what H1N1 stats you use is just kinda silly. There are plenty of people who are taking advantage of this to blame Trump somehow and for the most part, they are just as bad as Rush Limbaugh downplaying it.

To have a global conspiracy, you need a who, how, and why. Right now, the who is the media, the how is by spreading false or exaggerated info, and the why is because they hate Trump. I mean.... come on. We need a better conspiracy explanation if we are going global with it.

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What are you even talking about?

Blaming the Liberal media for politicizing the virus is... "politicizing it"???

WTF?

And what "global conspiracy" are you talking about?

That's not even an argument except in maybe among small numbers of super-fringe idiots.

Is the timing of the virus super convenient on two fronts? Sure. China was able to squash their protests overnight while also puting a halt to trade/tariff negotiations with the US, and at the same time, the US Leftwing populace got their wish... which was Trump's blustering economy turning on a dime and tanking.

Those two things are mere coincidence, though.

But aside from those things simply being mentioned as coincidentally happening at the same time overnight, there has been no real mainstream accusations of these things being a "global conspiracy".

So WTF are you talking about?

Because the media, and Leftwing in general, have without question been playing a blame-game, and daily talking points continually trying to lay some sort of responsibility on Trump for either causing this pandemic, exacerbating it somehow, or simply doing something wrong in general that caused more deaths and put Americans in harms' way.

The vast majority of which is and has been total bullshite from the start.

And pointing out the obnoxious double-standards, exaggerations, and outright lies, is not "politicizing it". It's simply defending against dishonest politicization by the other side. Something that has been happening for 3+ years, well before this virus came along.