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re: OT: Corona Panic 2020
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:31 pm to Lucius Clay
Posted on 4/17/20 at 2:31 pm to Lucius Clay
quote:Yes, they were, you ignoramous.
Or were they all doctored in some massive left wing media conspiracy?
All news outlets or journalists for news outlets. NYT, WaPo, HuffPo, Politico, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, etc. etc. etc.... All ran the same story saying Trump got impatient and just dumped the koi food box in the pool, and this possibly killed the fish.
Meanwhile...
Abe did it first and Trump was just following his lead.
But damn near every US media outlet pushed a lie, as well as British, French, Spanish, and Chinese media.
And your dumbass doesn't think there's a massive leftwing media conspiracy to stick it to Donald Trump?
GTFO, idiot.
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Posted on 4/17/20 at 4:03 pm to BeefDawg
If Lucias shows his face in this thread again, after that mic drop, to post anything non-cv related, he's going to get axed.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:49 pm to ugasickem
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Let me get this straight. Cause this is what it sounds like to me. You want him to stand up there at that podium and tell the country "Sorry everyone, we are fricked"? I mean what the fricks wrong with you?
No, not at all. I want him to not sound like a clueless idiot helping to create a more dangerous situation by contradicting what the experts were saying in the same exact press conference.
If you are gonna sound like a clueless idiot in public, At the very least work behind the scenes proving you arent a clueless idiot. Nope. Waited until Mid March to place a large order of PPE.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 7:56 pm to DawgsLife
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Which parts of these is wrong?
You repeat a quote with a qualifier.
You repeat another quote that cnnot be proven or disproven (Can you prove that one day in 10,000 years it will not be gone? I mean, at one time Polio was eradicated.)
And we will go down and not up. We will go substantially down and not up.
Dont exaggerate the worth of those weak arse qualifiers. He made his idiotic points clear with his the followup quotes "we are going substantially down" and "down to zero in a couple days", which you conveniently ignored.
Its the opposite of clear and accurate messaging, and you have TWS idiots like dawgcountry, beef and IT who ignore the worthless qualifiers and think that everything he is saying is true about the situation at that time. They really thought it would be gone by now because trump said so.
This post was edited on 4/17/20 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:54 pm to BeefDawg
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I'm not going to argue with you, but just making it clear this is 1000% false.
[ proceeds to disagree for multiple paragraphs ]
Well... so long as we're not arguing here...
You're free to believe what you want. I can tell you that I'm not aware of anything in the ACA regs that would have mandated the removal of related dental coverage from your existing plan. So that's $16,000 that seemingly had nothing to do with ACA compliance. That is a plan design choice that either intentionally or more likely unintentionally (given the small percentage of medical conditions that typically involve required dental work) impacted you in a very negative way. Like I said, sorry it happened, and glad it sounds like it's behind you.
Additionally, the ACA regs by themselves didn't mandate specific deductibles or require employers to move off of self-insured plans. I can tell you that both my wife and I had richer plans available to us post ACA... all with minimal impact (read: generally in line with standard rise in costs) to our premiums. By no means do I think that means no one had any negative impact, but our plans were also considered "in compliance with ACA regs", and neither of us had anywhere near a 50% increase to premiums, nor did they require doubling our deductibles or OOP max.
There are a lot of moving parts here, and while I'm sure the ACA bears *some* responsibility with some of the plan changes (as I said before), to imply that your ballooned medical costs are "because of the ACA" is simply inaccurate.
Posted on 4/17/20 at 11:59 pm to djsdawg
The interesting development on Friday morning was Trump's tweets: “LIBERATE MINNESOTA” and then, “LIBERATE MICHIGAN” followed by, “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” Apparently this was in reference to the protests against the shutdown in those states (with the last one including an additional jab about expanded background checks for firearm sales that VA just passed).
There's plenty of question about whether the extremity of the COVID-19 measures taken in a lot of places is justified. Don't people have the right to take risks?
But interestingly, Trump didn't send out tweets about "liberating" any other states.
So why would Trump side with people protesting stay-at-home orders in those particular states, especially when 43 states have imposed restrictions based on recommendations in The President’s Coronavirus Guidelines For America?
Is it a coincidence that those three states have Democratic governors? Could it be that his goal is to encourage unrest in "battleground" election states? Hmmm...
Politics versus saving lives...which is his primary goal?
Talk about the opposite of clear and accurate messaging!
There's plenty of question about whether the extremity of the COVID-19 measures taken in a lot of places is justified. Don't people have the right to take risks?
But interestingly, Trump didn't send out tweets about "liberating" any other states.
So why would Trump side with people protesting stay-at-home orders in those particular states, especially when 43 states have imposed restrictions based on recommendations in The President’s Coronavirus Guidelines For America?
Is it a coincidence that those three states have Democratic governors? Could it be that his goal is to encourage unrest in "battleground" election states? Hmmm...
Politics versus saving lives...which is his primary goal?
Talk about the opposite of clear and accurate messaging!
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 12:32 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 12:27 am to fibonaccisquared
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There are a lot of moving parts here, and while I'm sure the ACA bears *some* responsibility with some of the plan changes (as I said before), to imply that your ballooned medical costs are "because of the ACA" is simply inaccurate.
This is going to be fun
Posted on 4/18/20 at 6:28 am to djsdawg
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No, not at all. I want him to not sound like a clueless idiot helping to create a more dangerous situation by contradicting what the experts were saying in the same exact press conference.
At one time the experts were saying we had nothing t worry about with Coronavirus. They contradict themselves. This is a new thing. NOBODY knew what to expect and they actually still don't. They are backtracking almost on a daily basis about what caused it, where it came from, infection rates, death rates...everything.
Crap dude, he shut down travel to/from China when the experts were saying there was nothing to worry about.
If Trump had not done that and Coronavirus spread through the US worse, you would be criticizing him for not being a leader.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 6:48 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 6:34 am to djsdawg
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Dont exaggerate the worth of those weak arse qualifiers. He made his idiotic points clear with his the followup quotes "we are going substantially down" and "down to zero in a couple days", which you conveniently ignored.
Give me the link where he said we would "go down substantially in a couple of days".
You pick apart the very meaning of a single word in most of his speeches, but when he explicitly puts in qualifiers you choose to ignore them?
quote:So you really aren't upset about what trump saiod...you are upset because somebody somewhere might not understand him.
Its the opposite of clear and accurate messaging, and you have TWS idiots like dawgcountry, beef and IT who ignore the worthless qualifiers and think that everything he is saying is true about the situation at that time. They really thought it would be gone by now because trump said so.
Well, I misunderstood Obama when he said "If you like your insurance, you can keep it! If you like your doctor, you can keep him!"
No qualifiers, so I'm not sure how I misunderstood him, because I liked both and now I have a different doctor and different insurance. I wonder how that happened, because he was the great orator. Hi words seemed pretty concise to me.
Obama: 'If you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan'
I'm sure you will want to lump him in with Trump when it comes to not telling the truth and not being clear and concise.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 6:49 am to DawgsLife
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one time the experts were saying we had nothing t worry about with Coronavirus. They contradict themselves. This is a new thing. NOBODY knew what to expect and they actually still don't. They are backtracking almost on a daily basis about what caused it, where it came from, infection rates, death rates...everything.
The same exact press conference:
Early on during Wednesday's White House briefing on the coronavirus outbreak, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar stressed an important and accurate point. "[W]hat every one of our experts and leaders have been saying for more than a month now remains true: The degree of risk has the potential to change quickly, and we can expect to see more cases in the United States," the cabinet secretary explained.
Shortly thereafter, the CDC's Anne Schuchat added that while the United States currently has "low levels" of confirmed coronavirus cases, "we do expect more cases."
Posted on 4/18/20 at 6:52 am to DawgsLife
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Give me the link where he said we would "go down substantially in a couple of days".
Februay 26: “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
Feburary 27: “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:00 am to DawgsLife
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you really aren't upset about what trump saiod...you are upset because somebody somewhere might not understand him.
Because the quotes are dangerously misleading at best and more dangerously inaccurate at worst. Either way, it’s just pure incompetence and/or negligence.
I don’t even think he understands half the bs he spews. He Sounds like a kid rambling through a verbal book report for a book he didnt read.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:21 am to djsdawg
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The same exact press conference:
Early on during Wednesday's White House briefing on the coronavirus outbreak, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar stressed an important and accurate point. "[W]hat every one of our experts and leaders have been saying for more than a month now remains true: The degree of risk has the potential to change quickly, and we can expect to see more cases in the United States," the cabinet secretary explained.
Shortly thereafter, the CDC's Anne Schuchat added that while the United States currently has "low levels" of confirmed coronavirus cases, "we do expect more cases."
How about a link when you are quoting? I mean, you are already at the site...give us a link so we can =read the entire article and see the date etc. It's nice to get context.
quote:Very definitive. I mean....10 more cases? 1,000 more cases? Was this before or after they were predicting up to 2,000,000 deaths?
Shortly thereafter, the CDC's Anne Schuchat added that while the United States currently has "low levels" of confirmed coronavirus cases, "we do expect more cases."
Give us links. It's not hard to do...as I almost always give links...and it helps us to understand context.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:22 am to djsdawg
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Because the quotes are dangerously misleading at best and more dangerously inaccurate at worst. Either way, it’s just pure incompetence and/or negligence.
No they aren't. Everything he said was absolutely true. There were experts saying the same things. Yet you are now arguing that he should not contradict the experts? You need to pick a stance and stick with it. Do you want him contradicting the experts, or do you want him to agree with the experts? You can't have it both ways.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 7:32 am to djsdawg
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Give me the link where he said we would "go down substantially in a couple of days".
quote:
Februay 26: “We’re going down, not up. We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
I see your quote but it seems to be missing "in a couple of days" Did he say the virus was going to go down in a couple of days, or not?
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Feburary 27: “When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
And here is why I want links. I had to search for it, but here are his comments in full on the 15 people he is talking about.
We — we’re ready to adapt and we’re ready to do whatever we have to as the disease spreads, if it spreads. As most of you know, the — the level that we’ve had in our country is very low, and those people are getting better, or we think that in almost all cases they’re better, or getting. We have a total of 15. We took in some from Japan — you heard about that — because they’re American citizens, and they’re in quarantine. And they’re getting better too.
But we felt we had an obligation to do that. It could have been as many as 42. And we found that we were — it was just an obligation we felt that we had. We could have left them, and that would have been very bad — very bad, I think — of American people. And they’re recovering.
Of the 15 people — the “original 15,” as I call them — 8 of them have returned to their homes, to stay in their homes until fully recovered. One is in the hospital and five have fully recovered. And one is, we think, in pretty good shape and it’s in between hospital and going home.
So we have a total of — but we have a total of 15 people, and they’re in a process of recovering, with some already having fully recovered.
He isn't talking about the entire nation. They allowed people in from Japan, and they were in quarantine. Of those 15 most were recovering from Corona Virus, because they were told to come home they had to be in quarantine.
Come on dude. Stop taking stuff out of context and at least attempt to be honest.
Remarks by President Trump, Vice President Pence, and Members of the Coronavirus Task Force in Press Conference Healthcare Issued on: February 27, 2020
Context. It matters.
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 7:37 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 9:21 am to DawgsLife
Excellent post.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:00 am to GurleyGirl
This is a great video from another professor at Stanford and the study they conducted on a randomized sampling of people.
LINK
It's a long video, but very important and telling. Very interesting to hear the conclusions and the comparison to the....well, you can hear it for yourselves. It also discusses the deaths that will come from the economic shutdown. It's amazing that it took a study after all this time to conclude what I have been saying....
DISCLAIMER: not good for the health of DoesntknowJackShit, Whiznutjob, and others suffering from severe cases of TDS
LINK
It's a long video, but very important and telling. Very interesting to hear the conclusions and the comparison to the....well, you can hear it for yourselves. It also discusses the deaths that will come from the economic shutdown. It's amazing that it took a study after all this time to conclude what I have been saying....
DISCLAIMER: not good for the health of DoesntknowJackShit, Whiznutjob, and others suffering from severe cases of TDS
This post was edited on 4/18/20 at 10:02 am
Posted on 4/18/20 at 10:40 am to IT_Dawg
Yep if ANY place in our country that should have got hammered by CV-19 it was Santa Clara county.Its the most populous county in Northern California,has a 41% Asian demographic and is the home to Silicon Valley...which obviously means there was lots of travel to and from China .They had to have exposure to this much earlier than the rest of the country.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:13 am to DawgsLife
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At one time the experts were saying we had nothing t worry about with Coronavirus.
I don't think they were saying there was nothing to worry about at all. Moreso, at the time there wasn't anything to worry about.
Posted on 4/18/20 at 11:17 am to deeprig9
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mic drop
You mean a deranged tirade? Strangely, I didn't see anything related to COVID-19 in it, either. Seems like several folks could get axed...especially the nut who resorts to foul and abusive language.
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