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re: OT- Teacher Pay

Posted on 5/4/18 at 7:31 am to
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 7:31 am to
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. It is one of the most important jobs in our society but we let complete idiots run a classroom and then the teachers who give a damn are run off


I completely and totally agree. What can be done about it?


end tenure - having 3 years on the job should not insulate bad teachers from being fired
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 7:59 am to
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I will only work 195 days out follow the year at the most


That's hilarious that you think you are only going to work 195 days a year if you coach football. High School football season in Georgia lasts from May (Spring Practice) until November, December (State Finals) if you are lucky.

If you are part of a decent program you will be up at the school 4-5 days a week during the summer and you'll go to overnight 7v7 passing camps. You will work weekends during the season. In the "offseason" you may have to help with early morning/afternoon weight workouts or coach another sport. Don't let them talk you into basketball as your second sport...trust me on this. In fact if you absolutely have to coach a 2nd sport don't do anything in the winter or you'll want to commit suicide by February of your first year.

And when you do the math and you figure out what you make hourly with your coaching supplement you'll laugh, then cry.

Not being cynical, just being real with you my young naive friend.

To clarify a few more mistaken beliefs in this thread.

Teachers in Ga don't have "tenure." Contracts are on a year to year basis.

"Teachers in Georgia don't have tenure, but rather, certain due process protection against dismissal. Under the Fair Dismissal Act, O.C.G.A. § 20-2-940 et seq., teachers who have worked for more than the required years have a right to a hearing to determine if their contract was not renewed , or they have been dismissed, because of a statutorily authorized reason"

Teacher unions in Ga. don't exist. Ga is one of 5 states that don't allow teachers and various other governmental employees to unionize and have collective bargaining rights. Teachers in Ga. have "organizations" that have very little power other than lobbying law makers. Funny thing....those 5 states are usually near the bottom of test scores while those with the actual unions that have a strong presence are near the top.

Teachers don't just "get" free healthcare. Teachers "get" to pay for healthcare. $400 a month for family coverage and it rises every year. Retirees pay for healthcare until 65 then Medicare kicks in.

Special Ed teachers start on the same pay rung as everyone else. The person talking about some young SPED teacher making 90K a year is full of crap. You'd have to have a Ph.d and close to 30 years of experience to even sniff that kind of cheddar. Principals in some areas of the state don't even make that.
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 11:21 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:26 am to
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end tenure - having 3 years on the job should not insulate bad teachers from being fired


Tenure was abolished almost 18 years ago in Georgia
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:30 am to
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To clarify a few more mistaken beliefs in this thread.



And our pension is not guaranteed. At any point the state can vote to take it away or weaken it like they have done in other states.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:35 am to
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I used to think home school was for weirdos but I'm not convinced that's the case these days

In Georgia, we spend about $10,000 dollars per every single high school student per every single year.

Let that sink in.

Then re-visit your high school days in your memory and imagine the legions of dumbass useless retards getting processed through without absorbing a single thing......and do some simple math.

Then think about a homeschooled kid if you've ever met one. Personally, I've never met an unmotivated or stupid one.

Cost of homechooling for 1 student for 1 year is $500 dollars.

So, over the four years of high school (the homeschooled ones won't take that long though) that's $38,000 less than it costs to process one loser dipshit through the public "free" high school system. Smoke if ya got e'm. Dear god. Smoke them now
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:43 am to
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Then think about a homeschooled kid if you've ever met one. Personally, I've never met an unmotivated or stupid one.



I see them all the time. Their parents bring them back after a few months because it was way harder than they expected or they didn't realize that their kid is actually the a-hole his/her said they were. And some who have been homeschooled for years are the weirdest little frickers you'll ever meet.

You're probably hanging out with motivated people in general so you're not going to see the other side.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:51 am to
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You're probably hanging out with motivated people in general so you're not going to see the other side.

And all you're seeing are the ones who wash out from homeschooling. So, who's not seeing the other side here?

I'm judging by the ones I've met that have successfully graduated this way. At $500 bucks per year. Instead of $10 fricking grand's worth of indoctrination.
Posted by dan765
Charleston
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:59 am to
Here's the problem: there are places across the country, including Georgia, where they are experiencing a teacher shortage. There are many out there, however, who would love to teach, but that would require a pay-cut from their current jobs.

So, if you want to fill the shortage and get teachers with real-world experience, you gotta raise that pay.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 9:13 am to
Jeff, do you have kids? If so do you home school?
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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39984 posts
Posted on 5/4/18 at 9:42 am to
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And all you're seeing are the ones who wash out from homeschooling. So, who's not seeing the other side here?



That would still be you. I've seen a handful of successful homeschool kids at our school and have helped a coach for a homeschool football program so I've seen both sides.

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I'm judging by the ones I've met that have successfully graduated this way. At $500 bucks per year. Instead of $10 fricking grand's worth of indoctrination.


Congrats, I guess. That $10,000 is still $2000 less than the national average.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 10:09 am to
So you work at a high school? And I’m suppose to ignore that this might affect your opinion about alternatives to your employer?? Ha ha, maybe next I’ll go ask a Pepsi employee about their opinion on coca-cola.

Also, it’s pretty gross and depressing that you’re psyched about being $2000 dollars less than the national average though.

Hey, this is kind of random, but if it cost Pepsi $38,000 more to produce a can of cola than it takes Coke, do you think Pepsi would still be in business?
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 10:35 am to
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So you work at a high school? And I’m suppose to ignore that this might affect your opinion about alternatives to your employer??


In my 20 years of teaching I've probably seen way more homeschooled kids than you have and I've taught everything from AP classes to cotaught special education classes. Your view is more likely way more flawed than mine since you "only see motivated kids" that are homeschooled.

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Also, it’s pretty gross and depressing that you’re psyched about being $2000 dollars less than the national average though.


Psyched? You're the one pumping up about how much we spend. I simply pointed out that we spend less than the national average.

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Hey, this is kind of random, but if it cost Pepsi $38,000 more to produce a can of cola than it takes Coke, do you think Pepsi would still be in business?


Yeah, because that's a comparable argument.


Posted by Dawgfanman
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 10:50 am to
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Cost of homechooling for 1 student for 1 year is $500 dollars.


Does this include the lost income of the parent providing this service? Does it cover the electricity in the home, the food, etc. What about the chance for participation in band, sports, arts, etc?

Not saying those things are important or not, just saying compare apples to apples.
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 10:59 am to
Once again Jeff....do you have children and are they home schooled?
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:08 am to
I need to make a correction. When my friend was making 90, he was actually at Emory autism place (marcus?), not public school at that point. He was in the 70’s in Cobb.

Can’t say much more as the circle gets smaller and smaller in this business.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63906 posts
Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:16 am to
I pay $9800/yr preschool so I and my wife can go make $165,000.

They teach him all sorts of things, he has friends and social skills, etc.

Seems like a good deal.

Paid extree in house price to be in a decent elementary district that is fed by all the great preschools in the area.

But starting in middle school it gets shady, and clusters up to Archer which is ok now, but what about 10 or 12 years from now.... who knows.


Point is..... 10k per year isn’t exorbitant per pupil.

Let’s look at college tuition for exorbitance.

This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 11:18 am
Posted by socrow
Covington,GA
Member since Sep 2012
828 posts
Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:27 am to
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DaveyDownerDawg


I was talking about actual teaching I didn’t include football in that, I know good and well what goes into having a winning program at the high school level and I can’t wait to be able to do that everyday
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 11:28 am
Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:33 am to
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He was in the 70’s in Cobb.


Rig, STARTING pay for a SPED teacher with a Bachelors in Cobb is $42,364.

LINK

In fact, you can look up right here what your friend made as it is public record. Find it and post it.

LINK
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63906 posts
Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:34 am to
Cobb was his fourth system and he had a masters in se.
Posted by Jefferson Dawg
Member since Sep 2012
31961 posts
Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:40 am to
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Does it cover the electricity in the home, the food, etc.

Do you turn the electricity off at your house during the day? Do you feel it’s the governments job to feed your kids?
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What about the chance for participation in band, sports, arts, etc?

Homeschoolers can still participate in these things. On that topic though, what about the other things homeschoolers miss out on at public school.....like drugs, violence, commie indoctrination, and having the anchor of the lowest common denominator morons shackled to their ankle?
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Does this include the lost income of the parent providing this service?

Most of it can be done online. Regardless, as crazy as it sounds to you, some parents actually want to be involved in their kids education instead of handing them over to DMV and post office workers to do it.

And if people didn’t tolerate the state and all of its obscene destruction , you wouldn’t have a situation where both parents have to work full time to support a family. One of them could stay home. As it should be.
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