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re: OT- Let your state reps know how you feel
Posted on 12/9/20 at 6:05 pm to rb
Posted on 12/9/20 at 6:05 pm to rb
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My friend owns a port container trucking company that guarantees drivers to be home at night and weekends and guarantees them $1200 week. He can't hire enough workers.Why won't the kid that's making $8 hr at McDonald's work for him?
Dude, I don't know, but I'm really not worried about that. If a higher minimum wage means a better economy, lower entitlements, and less debt without raising taxes I can't find a logical argument against it.
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Posted on 12/9/20 at 6:18 pm to deeprig9
All company trucks. Insurance and 401k w/ 3% match.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 6:46 pm to baconwaffle
quote:The military? Yes. Yes it is. It's full of people that didn't have better options.
But are these opportunities realistically within reach of most of these folk
Posted on 12/9/20 at 6:51 pm to chillmonster
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You were right-ish - I guess.
If I was right...
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Point still stands.
Then no it doesn't.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:18 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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SneakyWaff1es
You weren't right. I was making a joke.
And the point was a burger doesn't cost $17 when the minimum wage is $15, which absolutely still stands. The actual, verified, real world difference is $0.80.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/9/20 at 7:28 pm to chillmonster
quote:I was pretty clearly exaggerating. The cost will go up. Probably not to $17 anytime soon but I'm sure you have relatives that remember when a burger cost a nickel.
And the point was a burger doesn't cost $17
There's only so much money. The people that have it, aren't going to make less of a profit. If cost goes up for them, they'll make it back somewhere.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:11 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I'm sure you have relatives that remember when a burger cost a nickel.
Yeah, I do. And when compared with burgers, milk, gas, education, and everything else wage growth has been terrible even as productivity has exploded. That $1.00/hr or so they made back then went more than twice as far even though they produced half as much in that same hour as a worker does today.
How about a deal. Pick any year between 1950 and 1980. Adjust that year's minimum wage for cost of living in 2020, and let's agree sight unseen to say that's the right number. I'll even take it without adjusting for productivity.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:16 pm to chillmonster
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lower entitlements,
This has been refuted with no rebuttal. If benefits are equivalent to $10/hr then a $15 minimum wage isn't going to get people to bust their arse for $5.
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less debt without raising taxes
Please articulate this, please flesh this out. Raising minimum wage pays down the deficit? Is this because they make more money, therefore pay more taxes? People at that income level are already tax exempt. Their refunds tend to exceed what they actually paid in taxes. And the employers, with higher labor costs, will have an even higher tax write-off, so that's less revenue for the IRS. Every way I look at this past the first layer seems the opposite of what you are claiming. Please educate me. I want to learn.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 10:27 pm to chillmonster
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And the point was a burger doesn't cost $17 when the minimum wage is $15, which absolutely still stands. The actual, verified, real world difference is $0.80.
Quit thumping your chest.
If want to win your point, you need to go to small town USA because that is who will be negatively affected by a $15 minimum wage. I don't consider Duluth GA small town. Get on your phone again.
Small town USA Big Mac would be $3.99-$4.50. $4.29 is what it is around my home town.
So your price difference is closer to $1.50, not $0.80.
Your point doesn't stand.
This post was edited on 12/9/20 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 9:01 am to SneakyWaff1es
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The military? Yes. Yes it is. It's full of people that didn't have better options
And how many go on to leading a life full of ease and wealth when they finish? The military generally does not prepare its enlisted very well for civilian careers.
You were an officer. I don’t know whether you did ROTC or used GI bill after enlisting, but either way, you made the grades in high school to get into an accredited 4-year program. There is a reason why these unaccredited, for-profit “universities” prey on recently discharged enlisted vets: because they can’t get into anywhere else.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 12/10/20 at 10:16 am to baconwaffle
quote:I was enlisted. I was a meat head in high school that smoked a lot of weed and barely made it to graduation. What you do with your opportunities is on you. You're not talking about equal opportunity. You're taking about equal outcomes. There are community colleges in every military town that will almost always allow a service member to enroll. Do well and get an associates in basket weaving abs they can go to a real school after. This isn't rocket surgery.
You were an officer.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 11:52 am to deeprig9
Have you guys seen this?
Coffee County Dominion systems mail-in/paper ballot scan demonstration.
- It can scan the same ballot(s) as many times as you want and counts them every time.
- After ballots scanned, the elections official (adjudicator) can pull up any ballot, change/add/delete any vote on the ballot, then save and complete it (make it count with changes).
- Can scan totally blank ballots and then mark any votes on them they want.
- System does not log which exact ballots were changed (adjudicated), what was changed, nor who made the changes, only highlights batches with changes in red. That’s it.
Just insane that this is what Kemp/Raffensperger/State Legislature approved and used (and 40 other states used, too??). This is the most non-secure freaking thing I’ve ever seen. Who in their right mind would approve this?? No other explanation than they were bribed or compromised.
Coffee County Dominion systems mail-in/paper ballot scan demonstration.
- It can scan the same ballot(s) as many times as you want and counts them every time.
- After ballots scanned, the elections official (adjudicator) can pull up any ballot, change/add/delete any vote on the ballot, then save and complete it (make it count with changes).
- Can scan totally blank ballots and then mark any votes on them they want.
- System does not log which exact ballots were changed (adjudicated), what was changed, nor who made the changes, only highlights batches with changes in red. That’s it.
Just insane that this is what Kemp/Raffensperger/State Legislature approved and used (and 40 other states used, too??). This is the most non-secure freaking thing I’ve ever seen. Who in their right mind would approve this?? No other explanation than they were bribed or compromised.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:15 pm to BeefDawg
Gezuz Christ, Streamable pulled it down already for supposedly violating their terms.
It was merely a Coffee County elections official showing the Coffee County Commission how easy it is for election officials to commit fraud and change votes on the Dominion system. That’s all it was. Very innocuous.
And yet it was censored. WTF
ETA: here it is on YT. Let’s see how long it lasts there.
LINK
It was merely a Coffee County elections official showing the Coffee County Commission how easy it is for election officials to commit fraud and change votes on the Dominion system. That’s all it was. Very innocuous.
And yet it was censored. WTF
ETA: here it is on YT. Let’s see how long it lasts there.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:25 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I was enlisted. I was a meat head in high school that smoked a lot of weed and barely made it to graduation. What you do with your opportunities is on you. You're not talking about equal opportunity. You're taking about equal outcomes. There are community colleges in every military town that will almost always allow a service member to enroll. Do well and get an associates in basket weaving abs they can go to a real school after. This isn't rocket surgery.
I was also enlisted, got out, and got a degree. Equality of opportunity is already a thing in this country. Equality of outcome should never be a thing in this country.
Everyone in this country has an opportunity to make something of themselves if they really want to. A kid can grow up in the shittiest of poverty, but if they do well in school, they can climb out of it.
If you do these three things in order, you'll probably have a pretty successful life:
1. Graduate high school
2. Get married
3. Have kids
When people don't do those in order, that's when stuff starts getting fricked up.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 1:13 pm to BeefDawg
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:15 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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I was enlisted
You said you were a nurse. Those are officers, bud. Or were you like a combat medic? Because that's not a nurse.
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I was a meat head in high school that smoked a lot of weed and barely made it to graduation
Good for you. There is also a high likelihood you are also white, didn't grow up in a warzone, attended a school that better than inner city schools, and had role models who were upstanding members of society.
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You're not talking about equal opportunity. You're taking about equal outcomes
No, I am talking about equal opportunity. Some folks are born into circumstances that have grant less opportunity than others. I'm not calling for some revolutionary redistribution of wealth. But I think that if someone is willing to perform honest work, they should earn more than slave wages.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 2:21 pm to VADawg
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A kid can grow up in the shittiest of poverty, but if they do well in school, they can climb out of it.
The issue is that they don't know how to climb out of it because nobody in their community has showed them the way. You can always point to exceptions as a poster child. You act like most black people want to stay poor.
And let's say, for the sake of argument, they do know how to pull themselves out of poverty, but choose not to, like you say. Does that mean you believe they should be condemned to earning $7.50 an hour for the rest of their life for mistakes they made as a young person?
Posted on 12/10/20 at 3:39 pm to baconwaffle
Jesus Christ. I was a 91C/68WM6. That's a licensed practical nurse. I went to school while I was in and finished my BSN on the Army's dime about a year after getting out.
I'm not white but was part of a middle class family. My role models were never home because they were busy working. There were days that I didn't see my parents from the time I woke until the time I went to sleep. Before high school. My father was verbally abusive to my mother, my step mother and myself. My mother, step mother and father all had alcohol abuse issues. I joined the Army as early as I could to get away from them and food a way to get educated so I wouldn't have to spend so much time away from whatever family I decided to have as an adult.
My wife is an immigrant from a poor family that lived in a shitty party of Miami. English is her second language but you would never know that speaking to her. You know why? Because she knew speaking English fluently would give her more opportunities. So she worked at it.
Opportunities are everywhere. I understand some people are at a disadvantage in life but most of the people raised in a "warzone" that have the gumption to make something of themselves do it without the help of raising minimum wage. You think $15/hr is alluring enough to pull some drug slinging gang banger of the streets? He's already making more than that and has some semblance of power.
You struck out with most of your assumptions about me. I'm all for people having opportunities to better themselves. I just believe raising minimum wage is not the answer.
I'm not white but was part of a middle class family. My role models were never home because they were busy working. There were days that I didn't see my parents from the time I woke until the time I went to sleep. Before high school. My father was verbally abusive to my mother, my step mother and myself. My mother, step mother and father all had alcohol abuse issues. I joined the Army as early as I could to get away from them and food a way to get educated so I wouldn't have to spend so much time away from whatever family I decided to have as an adult.
My wife is an immigrant from a poor family that lived in a shitty party of Miami. English is her second language but you would never know that speaking to her. You know why? Because she knew speaking English fluently would give her more opportunities. So she worked at it.
Opportunities are everywhere. I understand some people are at a disadvantage in life but most of the people raised in a "warzone" that have the gumption to make something of themselves do it without the help of raising minimum wage. You think $15/hr is alluring enough to pull some drug slinging gang banger of the streets? He's already making more than that and has some semblance of power.
You struck out with most of your assumptions about me. I'm all for people having opportunities to better themselves. I just believe raising minimum wage is not the answer.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:23 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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You struck out with most of your assumptions about me
Nah, I was 3 out of 4. There are a lot of people who faced way more obstacles than you. If raising the minimum wage isn’t the answer, what is? Punishing the poor even more than we already do, until they learn their lesson?
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but most of the people raised in a "warzone" that have the gumption to make something of themselves do it without the help of raising minimum wage
That’s flawed logic. You’re doing an if A then B, therefore if B then A. Just because a tiny percent of a population got out of poverty without minimum wage doesn’t mean that’s true for everyone in that population. We can’t expect everyone to be a superhuman and grind and claw like a demon until they get what they want. Not all folks are wired like that. Evidence: you yourself admitted you barely passed high school because you liked weed. I believe in the dignity of work, and if someone is willing to get up in the morning to do an honest day’s work, they shouldn’t be punished for it.
I can guarantee that if I were born into those conditions, I would not be as successful as I am today. You underestimate the weight that poverty has on your ability to escape it. It’s not just about working hard, you need to be lucky too.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 6:47 pm to baconwaffle
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But I think that if someone is willing to perform honest work, they should earn more than slave wages.
Define slave wages
Edit to add... you used the word slave. Keep that in mind
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 6:48 pm
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