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Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:12 pm to Peter Buck
Posted on 12/7/16 at 5:12 pm to Peter Buck
Preseason lists usually sell magazines.
The talent is young. We have a huge hole in talent for upper-classmen.
If we can keep the young guys together (unlike Richt or Butch), then 2018 will be very special.
The talent is young. We have a huge hole in talent for upper-classmen.
If we can keep the young guys together (unlike Richt or Butch), then 2018 will be very special.
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:59 pm to djsdawg
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Nothing more worthless than preseason accolades, but keep on being you Peter.
Just to be clear, the same motherfrickers on here who were running matrices on recruiting stars and rankings as a way to show how untalented we are are now saying that preseason College awards based on actual play in the previous college football seasons are worthless.... this is fricking rich...
Posted on 12/8/16 at 6:14 am to Peter Buck
you seem pretty emotionally charged on this subject.
Richt recruits well. But too many kids get kicked out, transferred, processed, or injured for key games. The same has happened for Butch.
Richt didn't recruit well in 2013 (I have read on another board that Rodney Garner sabotaged the program when he left late 2012 for Auburn... kids he ignored were the first he called when making the move).
Richt paid the price for roster management in 2015. We paid the price again in 2016.
A good recruiting class in 2015 will be upper-classmen in 2017. A great recruiting class in 2016 will be upper-classmen in 2018. That is when the void of talent will be gone for upper-classmen. But we have avoid the issues that Richt and Tennessee have seen the past years with attrition.
Richt recruits well. But too many kids get kicked out, transferred, processed, or injured for key games. The same has happened for Butch.
Richt didn't recruit well in 2013 (I have read on another board that Rodney Garner sabotaged the program when he left late 2012 for Auburn... kids he ignored were the first he called when making the move).
Richt paid the price for roster management in 2015. We paid the price again in 2016.
A good recruiting class in 2015 will be upper-classmen in 2017. A great recruiting class in 2016 will be upper-classmen in 2018. That is when the void of talent will be gone for upper-classmen. But we have avoid the issues that Richt and Tennessee have seen the past years with attrition.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 7:27 am
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:25 am to meansonny
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you seem pretty emotionally charged on this subject. Richt recruits well. But too many kids get kicked out, transferred, processed, or injured for key games. The same has happened for Butch. Richt didn't recruit well in 2013 (I have read on another board that Rodney Garner sabotaged the program when he left late 2012 for Auburn... kids he ignored were the first he called when making the move). Richt paid the price for roster management in 2015. We paid the price again in 2016. A good recruiting class in 2015 will be upper-classmen in 2018. A great recruiting class in 2016 will be upper-classmen in 2018. That is when the void of talent will be gone for upper-classmen. But we have avoid the issues that Richt and Tennessee have seen the past years with attrition.
Thank you for your frank/lucid assessment. It's been said before and apparently it needed to be said again.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 8:25 am to Peter Buck
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preseason College awards based on actual play in the previous college football seasons are worthless.... this is fricking rich...
Based on play? Yes, but not necessarily quality play that proves the player has a ton of talent. Your logic on this doesn't understand that.
Remember, just simply playing gets you on a list of this nature ahead of a more talented player who had yet to play. Also, the more talented players who already left are also off the list, so as you can see, the pool of players for a preseason team list is thin. Both of these factors enables less talented players to be selected.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:04 pm to meansonny
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you seem pretty emotionally charged on this subject. Richt recruits well. But too many kids get kicked out, transferred, processed, or injured for key games. The same has happened for Butch. Richt didn't recruit well in 2013 (I have read on another board that Rodney Garner sabotaged the program when he left late 2012 for Auburn... kids he ignored were the first he called when making the move). Richt paid the price for roster management in 2015. We paid the price again in 2016. A good recruiting class in 2015 will be upper-classmen in 2017. A great recruiting class in 2016 will be upper-classmen in 2018. That is when the void of talent will be gone for upper-classmen. But we have avoid the issues that Richt and Tennessee have seen the past years with attrition.
Attrition is in large part to UGAs AD policies at least the large %. I'd love for Smart to change that shite, but I have not heard anything that we are relaxing our aggressive drug testing policy or suspensions for getting caught and not convicted by police for stupid stuff.
I don't care about Richt or his legacy...he is gone. I do care that our team did not perform as well as it should have. Better players would have helped, but the ones we had were clearly not putin a position to succeed or coached up.... Here again, we see that our post season results did not match what people saw pre season. .... but oh, these guys were over rated and pre season accolades mean nothing.... we just have to recruit higher star high schoolers and all our problems will go away.... unbelievable....
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:31 pm to meansonny
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Preseason lists usually sell magazines.
And recruiting sites sell subscriptions.So unknown HS players that have never played a down but are 4 and 5 stars are evaluated better than known players that have played at least a year of SEC football,correct??
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:56 pm to RD Dawg
The difference is that nearly every high school recruit is up for review, while only a limited amount of players who will play in a conference are available to pick from.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 1:59 pm to Peter Buck
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we see that our post season results did not match what people saw pre season.
That presumes that pre-season guesses as to how things would play out were accurate. They may well not have been. And most likely, it was a combination of factors: new coaching staff all getting to know each other and their players, coaching mistakes, little upperclass leadership, player mistakes, etc.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 5:12 pm to RD Dawg
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And recruiting sites sell subscriptions.So unknown HS players that have never played a down but are 4 and 5 stars are evaluated better than known players that have played at least a year of SEC football,correct??
I don't know what you are saying. You might want to try again for my benefit.
There is a reason why kids are called under-classes and upper-classmen. It matters. Our talent is dominated by under-classmen and transfers. Next year, our 2015 class will be upper-classmen. But how many of those guys will be on the offensive line starting?
My take is that we will suck next year (sometimes, sucky teams win 10 games and the division but lose to the 4 best teams they play). But the offensive line will be fixed in 2018. And that is the year we compete to dominate.
Posted on 12/8/16 at 5:56 pm to RD Dawg
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And recruiting sites sell subscriptions.So unknown HS players that have never played a down but are 4 and 5 stars are evaluated better than known players that have played at least a year of SEC football,correct??
Evaluated better by who?
Posted on 12/8/16 at 7:00 pm to Peter Buck
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Attrition is in large part to UGAs AD policies at least the large %. I'd love for Smart to change that shite, but I have not heard anything that we are relaxing our aggressive drug testing policy or suspensions for getting caught and not convicted by police for stupid stuff.
It isn't an athletic department policy. It is the university'students student polucy. But the majority of the attrition isn't the drug policy. We have transfers that have left for other reasons. Many of which had contributed as freshmen. How many of these were kicked off for drugs? Jj green, Brendon langley, Shaq wiggins, Josh Harvey clemmons, trey matthews, Derek Lott, Sheldon Dawson, Tramel Terry, Blake Tibbs, Uriah Lemay, josh cardiello, Paris bostick, Detric Bing-dukes, Jake edwards, and devondre Seymore.
This post was edited on 12/8/16 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 12/9/16 at 2:13 pm to Peter Buck
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Here again, we see that our post season results did not match what people saw pre season. ....
Perhaps Because other teams had new guys emerge who should have been on a preseason list but they didn't have the experience to be included on the list?
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