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Posted on 11/21/22 at 7:36 am to AlaCowboy
Last week, I thought Jalen didn't look the same (recovering from ankle injury. hitting the line, and got stonewalled at the LOS).
He did fine this week getting movement. But the back didn't follow the block.
He did fine this week getting movement. But the back didn't follow the block.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 8:15 am to meansonny
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How do you define "up the middle"?
Seriously
No doubt you know that I mean.
When we are in that jumbo alignment, there are: no wide receivers, extra blockers including Jalen Carter, Bennett is under center, and a single RB is in the power I formation.
Clearly the play calls for the OL to push the DL off the line of scrimmage and the RB runs into the line to get the 1 yard needed to score a TD.
What has often happened: the line of scrimmage gets jammed with bodies and there's no place for the RB to squeeze through to get that 1 yard.
Now granted, the RB has the option to bounce outside but the play is designed for the RB to run up the middle which he did to no avail.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 8:19 am to RealDawg
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Middle of the line runs..
it is frustrating seeing it constantly stuff on the goal line, but the thing that gives me hope is that we've seen multiple times THIS YEAR that we can get creative if we need to. Hell it was literally only 1 game ago that we got stuffed on the goal line against MSU, then ran a playaction next play and hit the TE for a TD. We've hit Bowers on that play where he's lined up as an OT against both bama and michigan last year. In the SECCG last year we did a play action and hit darnell on our first TD of the game. And I'm sure there's dozens more examples we can find.
Point is, when we actually NEED to score I trust monken to dial up something good. On Saturday it was a game in shite weather conditions where our defense was utterly dominant all game so might as well just see if we can overpower them. If it works awesome, if not, oh well.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 9:03 am to RealDawg
This line is significantly better at pass blocking than run blocking.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 9:34 am to VADawg
We had 246 yards rushing. Most were between the tackles. We struggled in red zone, but we ran very well between the 20s.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 10:53 am to VADawg
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This line is significantly better at pass blocking than run blocking.
We are 2nd nationally in rushing TDs.
1st nationally in rushing TDs against P5 opponents.
5th nationally in rushing TDs from the red zone.
Agree to disagree
People are caught up in the moment.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 11:17 am to GurleyGirl
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Clearly the play calls for the OL to push the DL off the line of scrimmage and the RB runs into the line to get the 1 yard needed to score a TD.
What has often happened: the line of scrimmage gets jammed with bodies and there's no place for the RB to squeeze through to get that 1 yard.
Now granted, the RB has the option to bounce outside but the play is designed for the RB to run up the middle which he did to no avail.
Is the middle A Gap?
B gap?
C gap?
Does it matter or change things if we add a blocker in between one of those gaps (fullback, HBack, or guard)?
Blowing the defender a yard off the snap is not required in goalline. Sealing the defender is.
Losing a yard for penetration does not disrupt the run unless that space is needed for a blocker or the ballcarrier's momentum (it does more harm to outside runs in C Gap as the blocker or runner's force is disrupted to navigate around the penetration).
You say this has often happened.
UGA is #2 nationally in rushing TDs.
UGA is #1 nationally in rushing TDs against P5 opponents.
UGA is #5 nationally in rushing TDs from the red zone.
It doesn't often happen. It sucks when it does. Sometimes, we have Warren Ericson getting blown off the line on a run intended for C Gap.
Sometimes, we have a poor read by the running back not to follow the blockers.
Sometimes, we have a poor presnap read where we are running against numbers (defense has more people than we have blockers. The run should have been flipped to the other side but it was on the road in a night game).
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Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:35 pm to meansonny
Let me ask you a simple question.
Let's say that we are in the NC game vs Ohio St.
It's 4th and goal on the 1-yard line.
Is that jumbo package that got stonewalled vs Kentucky the play you would call to score a TD?
It damn sure wouldn't be the play that I would call, and I seriously doubt that Monken will call it again in that situation because it hasn't been successful because it telegraphs to everyone what you are trying to do with few options other than the RB maybe bouncing off the pile to the outside.
And regarding those rushing stats that you cite: very few of the associated yards were earned running that silly jumbo package.
Let's say that we are in the NC game vs Ohio St.
It's 4th and goal on the 1-yard line.
Is that jumbo package that got stonewalled vs Kentucky the play you would call to score a TD?
It damn sure wouldn't be the play that I would call, and I seriously doubt that Monken will call it again in that situation because it hasn't been successful because it telegraphs to everyone what you are trying to do with few options other than the RB maybe bouncing off the pile to the outside.
And regarding those rushing stats that you cite: very few of the associated yards were earned running that silly jumbo package.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 6:46 pm to GurleyGirl
GurleyGirl, I agree with you.
I'm fine with the 4th down go for it call. In fact, I praise it. Absolutely go for it there.
But the play call, horrible. Even if we had stood up UK's defense and gotten the 1 yard, it's still a bad call.
It's fricking stupid. I have avoided this thread because I'm still pissed off about some of the stupid play calls in this game. Yeah yeah yeah I'm just a keyboard warrior and the coaches know a million times more than me, but don't tell me my eyes are lying.
I have to believe, I have to, that something more was going on, something behind the scenes, something I'm not privileged to know, because what I saw right in front of my face made zero fricking sense.
I'm ready for JD to feed me my applesauce and put me to bed.
I'm fine with the 4th down go for it call. In fact, I praise it. Absolutely go for it there.
But the play call, horrible. Even if we had stood up UK's defense and gotten the 1 yard, it's still a bad call.
It's fricking stupid. I have avoided this thread because I'm still pissed off about some of the stupid play calls in this game. Yeah yeah yeah I'm just a keyboard warrior and the coaches know a million times more than me, but don't tell me my eyes are lying.
I have to believe, I have to, that something more was going on, something behind the scenes, something I'm not privileged to know, because what I saw right in front of my face made zero fricking sense.
I'm ready for JD to feed me my applesauce and put me to bed.
Posted on 11/21/22 at 8:17 pm to GurleyGirl
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Let's say that we are in the NC game vs Ohio St.
It's 4th and goal on the 1-yard line.
Is that jumbo package that got stonewalled vs Kentucky the play you would call to score a TD?
I don't want Warren Ericson out there. He is our 4th guard. 8th best lineman.
Is that a simple answer?
Regarding the playcall, I'm fine with a zone blocking scheme on the goalline. It is about execution. We execute, and we score (we have scored a shite ton of goals on the goalline this season. I don't know why you are arguing a point you can't win).
As for "that package", we don't normally have "that personnel" out there (blaske and ericson). But we have had a ton of success in 22, 23, 14, and other exotic jumbo packages on the goalline (unbalanced lines).
Posted on 11/22/22 at 6:29 am to meansonny
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s that a simple answer?
No, it is not.
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I don't know why you are arguing a point you can't win
No doubt I am included among the ignorant masses but I don't think anyone who watched the Kentucky game would objectively think that jumbo package would be the preferred play-call in the scenario I described.
You obviously have more football insight into line blocking details than I do but some observations don't take keen insight.
I'm simply stating that jumbo formation telegraphs the intentions of our offense and precludes other run and pass options that would spread the defense and leave them guessing as to the point of attack.
You say it has worked well in the past (all it requires is proper execution) and I have no doubt it has and would against inferior teams but against teams at our level who we will face in the playoffs I consider it a poor play-call in the situation I described.
I will close (this will be my last comment in our discussion) by saying I have great regard for you as a contributor in this forum. You are knowledgeable and add a lot to many discussions. But on this particular point we disagree and that is fine. You say I am arguing a point that I can't win. No doubt that is true from your perspective but frankly I don't think many objective observers would see it that way aka they would not want to see us run that jumbo package with 4th and 1 on the goal line vs Ohio St. in the NC game.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:08 am to BranchDawg
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think we were not being creative in short-yardage on purpose because we were up two scores in the 4th quarter on Kentucky and were trying to vanilla our way to a win without getting anybody hurt.
This should be obvious
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:11 am to deeprig9
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I have avoided this thread because I'm still pissed off about some of the stupid play calls in this game.
Yikes
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:14 am to GurleyGirl
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don't think many objective observers would see it that way aka they would not want to see us run that jumbo package with 4th and 1 on the goal line vs Ohio St. in the NC game.
I agree. I don’t know if CKS was trying to impose his will, being vanilla, or whatever. But if that play was for all the marbles I like Stet under center and spread out the D so the backers have to consider having to cover a releasing TE or other pass options.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:32 am to GurleyGirl
I am more than fine agreeing to disagree.
We basically had 6 offensive linemen (two of whom are Austin blaske and Warren ericson), a defensive lineman at FB, 2 tight ends (one of whom is almost a tackle), Dajiun Edwards, and Stetson Bennett.
There are 9 gaps that the defense has to defend in alignment. There will be a 10th gap when we insert Jalen Carter.
You say our intentions are telegraphed.
With the option to insert our fullback at any of those gaps, we basically have 18 options for the defense to defend. It is much more difficult schematically when you don't look at football through the prism of run play vs pass play (blaske and Broderick Jones were eligible receivers by the way).
Replace Ericson with Willock at LG and put Tate Ratledge at RG and I am fine running on the goalline on 4th down against Ohio State.
We basically had 6 offensive linemen (two of whom are Austin blaske and Warren ericson), a defensive lineman at FB, 2 tight ends (one of whom is almost a tackle), Dajiun Edwards, and Stetson Bennett.
There are 9 gaps that the defense has to defend in alignment. There will be a 10th gap when we insert Jalen Carter.
You say our intentions are telegraphed.
With the option to insert our fullback at any of those gaps, we basically have 18 options for the defense to defend. It is much more difficult schematically when you don't look at football through the prism of run play vs pass play (blaske and Broderick Jones were eligible receivers by the way).
Replace Ericson with Willock at LG and put Tate Ratledge at RG and I am fine running on the goalline on 4th down against Ohio State.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 7:35 am to SquatchDawg
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Stet under center and spread out the D so the backers have to consider having to cover a releasing TE or other pass options.
We hit two touchdowns against Mississippi State in jumbo throwing to Bowers and Washington on playaction.
Contract to expand. Bowers and Washington are more effective in tight with the playfake (one second block and then release to the open space outside created by the tight formation).
We can throw better to the tight ends on the goalline from jumbo than spread out.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:04 am to meansonny
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Contract to expand
Understood…we just skipped the “expand” part against KY.
I think we always have the Stet roll out off the PA in our back pocket if needed. Forcing the defender to either come up to stop Stet or drop back to cover BIg O seems like a high % play given the D look.
Most SEC teams are stout in the middle. I think we assume we can just roll everyone but Kirby is pretty clear on how all of these teams have players that can hit you.
TN found that out.
Posted on 11/22/22 at 8:35 am to SquatchDawg
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Understood…we just skipped the “expand” part against KY.
I think we always have the Stet roll out off the PA in our back pocket if needed. Forcing the defender to either come up to stop Stet or drop back to cover BIg O seems like a high % play given the D look.
Most SEC teams are stout in the middle. I think we assume we can just roll everyone but Kirby is pretty clear on how all of these teams have players that can hit you.
TN found that out.
That is usually scripted one of our first 3 plays of every game. We've been able to run it out of many different formations and motions.
It is vulnerable to a blitz (qb's back to the defense). But if the defense isn't blitzing off of that edge, it is indefensible.
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