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re: Lookback: 2017 recruiting class
Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:36 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:36 pm to fibonaccisquared
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have a hard time giving Landers anything other than value as a scout team contributor at this point... his on field performance has been detrimental to the team
This is semantics.
1) he is playing. Key snaps in key games. That makes him a contributor. And not scout team contributor. He is playing big boy football (just not well at all).
2) looking at Joshua Moran (2016 class) and calling him a bust is stupid. Landers is ranked right beside Josh Moran. Why beat on a kid who decides to go to a tough top flight SEC school as an underdog?
It is weird to me that people are bent out of shape over "ok for a .857 recruit" as if that is truly a compliment or some hot take. How many skill position players do you think we take with a .857 ranking a year?
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Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:42 pm to meansonny
The thing is that you’re saying he’s excelled because he’s taken snaps and within the context of the situation it isn’t all that impressive. His meaningful snaps have come after several receivers ahead of him have gotten hurt. Worse, when he’s in he’s either a non factor or detrimental to the play.
I get he’s didn’t come in highly touted. However, being bad but getting PT doesn’t make him any less of a bust. Just means his inability is on display in practice and games.
May just have to agree to disagree here.
I get he’s didn’t come in highly touted. However, being bad but getting PT doesn’t make him any less of a bust. Just means his inability is on display in practice and games.
May just have to agree to disagree here.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:55 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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he thing is that you’re saying he’s excelled
I never once said that. "Ok for a .857 recruit" is very different than excelled. As a matter of fact, I have said that he has played poorly on the field. 5 posts about "OK for a .857 recruit" is kind of comical. 0.857 is not good for UGA skill players. I think that point is grossly missed.
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within the context of the situation it isn’t all that impressive.
That is the more pressing issue. And you can look at the other threads to see recruits who missed (in addition to those kids who said no thanks to our LOI). That is the better discussion. James Coley being the primary recruiter for WRs is an interesting angle on this mess as well.
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However, being bad but getting PT doesn’t make him any less of a bust.
I'm not going to call a 3 star recruit bust. I'm not going to call a preferred walk on a bust. I'm not going to call a walk on a bust.
We can spend days on here going over preferred walkons and walkons and calling them busts. No one references Josh Moran when he is labeled a noncontributor. Moran and Landers are the Mr Insignificant of their respective classes.
We can agree to disagree over the circumstances. But crapping on a kid for playing like he is rated is not what I am willing to do.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 12:55 pm to meansonny
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he is playing
debatable. he's out there (too much). that's about it
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:06 pm to meansonny
Your last line I agree with to a degree. I’ll call a spade a spade when it comes to his ability but the fault lies with Kirby and, as you pointed out, Coley for playing him and frankly offering him. They’re doing him no favors.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:09 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Coley for playing him and frankly offering him. They’re doing him no favors.
That's the irony. Coleys offense struggles because of the position that he recruited in 2016 and 2017. He can only kick himself for 2019.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:10 pm to Damn Good Dawg
Do you care to point out where I said he excelled?
Knowing that .857 sucks for a UGA skilled position player, where did I give Landers a compliment?
Knowing that .857 sucks for a UGA skilled position player, where did I give Landers a compliment?
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:18 pm to meansonny
Great stuff... would be fascinating to see Jefferson's score (LSU WR) now vs when recruited. That young man was ranked in the 2,000s in his class and he has been balling. What is their WR coach doing that we're not in terms of development?
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:23 pm to meansonny
Excelled was probably the wrong word, more alluding to saying he was “good”.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:30 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Excelled was probably the wrong word, more alluding to saying he was “good”.
I still dont think I said that.
Ok for a .857 recruit is OK for a bad/sucky recruit. That isnt where we should want our skill position players unless they are physical freaks trying to find their way on the gridiron.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 12/12/19 at 1:36 pm to Brick67
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What is their WR coach doing that we're not in terms of development?
Crazy part is they haven’t had a good WR Coach until this year.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:24 pm to meansonny
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That's the irony. Coleys offense struggles because of the position that he recruited in 2016 and 2017. He can only kick himself for 2019.
In fairness, the only one he really missed on was Blount. Landers was filler...everybody should have known that. Coley can't help it that Bush has been injured, and we lost 2-3 underclass WR's this past year. I will maintain that our WRs are a big reason Fromm has been struggling, and they have been struggling because of a lack of experience. I suspect there is more to Fromm's struggles, but I am not sure.
And I also suspect some of our WRs are hanging on to to some bad habits they developed in HS playing against competition they could get away with it against.
People should also keep in mind that a position coach offers a player only after checking with the HC. It's not like Coley thought he was going to be a stud and went out and offered Landers a scholly.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:37 pm to Brick67
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Great stuff... would be fascinating to see Jefferson's score (LSU WR) now vs when recruited. That young man was ranked in the 2,000s in his class and he has been balling. What is their WR coach doing that we're not in terms of development?
Dude, this is scheme as much as it is anything the receivers are doing.
Take a look at LSU's first play in the Alabama game.
Find me a similar rub/pick play from UGA all season. I remembered that play because it was LSU's first play of the Bama game, and I wondered at the time why UGA has nothing of the sort in the playbook.
Here's Another One with routes designed to create confusion in the D and not just rely on your guy to "get open".
I don't have the time to go get examples, but there are plenty of plays where Fromm didn't give receivers enough time to get open - deciding where he was going before the play or not simply not trusting good protection. Yes, he's an upperclassmen, but I still think this is most on the staff.
With (1) a better scheme and (2) a more confident Fromm next year almost all of the receiver woes will magically vanish.
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We've been unfair to young receivers. We've been comparing them to Cager all season. Everyone has seen all the small, veteran moves he pulls during games to get an advantage. LSU's kids don't do any of that. It's up to coaches and veterans to pick up the slack for younger & less savvy players, and UGA didn't do that this year.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:41 pm to DawgsLife
2016 sucks because it was our transition class. The big miss was Robertson who came anyway. There are others, but the staff didn't have time to build relationships. We were lucky to pull the kids that we did.
2017 was a down year for Georgia high school WRs. But there was a ton of talent in Florida and Alabama. Where do you think Bamas high flying offense came from? That still falls on Coley to get guys from FL (his territory) and guys for the WR room.
2017 was a down year for Georgia high school WRs. But there was a ton of talent in Florida and Alabama. Where do you think Bamas high flying offense came from? That still falls on Coley to get guys from FL (his territory) and guys for the WR room.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:43 pm to chillmonster
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Dude, this is scheme as much as it is anything the receivers are doing.
You dont see us doing rubs and pick plays?
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:49 pm to meansonny
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You don't see us doing rubs and pick plays?
I know someone else mentioned this before if that's your point. If not, the answer is not at all.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 2:55 pm to chillmonster
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this is scheme as much as it is anything the receivers are doing
There's nothing special about either play other the Bama's really poor defense on the 2nd video.
Let's just see how much of a wiz kid Joe Brady is w/o Burrow.
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:37 pm to RD Dawg
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There's nothing special about either play other the Bama's really poor defense on the 2nd video.
Let's just see how much of a wiz kid Joe Brady is w/o Burrow.
Watch the two receivers' routes at the top of the screen. It's just a little rub that gets the receiver open.
The other play was a pass on 3rd and 2 against a stacked box - attacking the middle to put young linebackers in conflict, which is exactly what happened. It think it's an air raid crossing concept, which unlike anything I remember us running.
The point is there is nothing special about the route running. These guys are open solely because of play calling causing the defenders to be out of position.
This post was edited on 12/12/19 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 12/12/19 at 3:53 pm to chillmonster
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These guys are open solely because of play calling causing the defenders to be out of position
You really don't believe this do you? S
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Watch the two receivers' routes at the top of the screen. It's just a little rub that gets the receiver open.
Yes,I watched it.Yiu really think this is new or innovative?
Posted on 12/12/19 at 4:10 pm to RD Dawg
No. That's the point.
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