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re: Kirby Smart: The cupboard was in good shape in 2016
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:35 am to deeprig9
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:35 am to deeprig9
It wasn't that bad in 2016. I think it was 2013 where, for one reason or another, Richt decided we needed to go on probation and self-imposed a 10-15 scholarship reduction on himself. I think we went into the season with around 70-72 scholarhsip athletes, and that was after awarding some to walk-ons.
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:20 am to fibonaccisquared
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As to Smart's comments... what would he have to gain at this point by complaining about it... he's nearly 2 years removed...
Exactly. Translation: Kirby was being diplomatic. The 7-5 regular season record in 2016 alone suggests that our team had depth and experience issues that had addressed with fresh talent and more experience. And of course you will always have transitional coaching issues with coaches getting to know their players and vice versus.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:14 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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When you have people playing out of position, true freshmen, etc
I guess you could say Wynn is out of p osistion but still didn't hurt his pre-season evaluation by other SEC coaches.(2nd team preseason all-sec)
As for Gallierd,he's seems to be excelling at
center and if I had to guess he'll play on Sunday.
Thomas and Kindley are both playing the p osistion they were recruited to play along with Baker even though he was a DL in HS but those switches have always been a part of CFB.
Sorry just don't see HUGE issues here.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 12:21 pm to GurleyGirl
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Kirby was being diplomatic
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The 7-5 regular season record in 2016 alone suggests that our team had depth and experience issues that had addressed with fresh talent and more experience. And of course you will always have transitional coaching issues with coaches getting to know their players and vice versus.
I would chalk the 7-5 record more up to the coaching shift than the talent/experience/depth.
We were more talented at a minimum than Vandy and Ga Tech... You maybe could say the UT, UF, and Ole Miss games were talent deficient games, but the coaches earned at least 2 of those minimum. It is what it is... in the past.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:04 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I think bare only insinuates this if you're looking to take offense.
Not really:
the cupboard is bare. › used to say that there is no food in a house or that there is no money, etc. available: I'd like to help you out, Paul, but I'm afraid the cupboard is bare. (Definition of “the cupboard is bare” from the Cambridge Advanced Learner’s Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)
It literally means empty, or devoid.
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Everything is relative. A bare cupboard at UGA doesn't mean you have a program with equivalent talent to Vanderbilt/Kentucky/FCS school... The "bare cupboard" wasn't the primary driver for the 5 losses last season or the struggle wins...
That might be the way you would use it, but it was being used to explain why we lost to Vanderbilt, and GT, played close with Nicholls and Missouri. It was not used to explain relative....it was used to make excuses of why all of the above happened.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:07 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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I don't think they are fully referring to "bare" as you think, but more like the glaring inadequacies in some of the most important spots, like the o-line.
Maybe, but they should be a little more specific then, wouldn't you think? I mean, they were using it as excuses for our performances against Vandy, Missouri, Nicholls, GT, etc.
And as I have pointed out, we had our entire starting Oline on campus save for RT.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:12 pm to DawgsLife
We had an 8-5 type situation last year. Year 1 is almost always a transition year, especially with a freshman at qb.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:12 pm to DawgsLife
Who is this "they" and where did anyone claim UGA was devoid of talent? The comments above about depth and deficiencies in key positions were the extent of the criticisims I remember.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:18 pm to GurleyGirl
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The 7-5 regular season record in 2016 alone suggests that our team had depth and experience issues that had addressed with fresh talent and more experience.
Come on now.....all those blowout losses we had this year were due to improved depth? Depth comes in handy in close games, not blowouts, generally. Many on here would like to conveniently forget that the key players on this years team were all here last season....save Fromm and Andrew Thomas. And you all seem to want to deflect and change the point of this thread away from two words......BARE CUPBOARD.
It wasn't used as a relative to SEC talent way. it was used as a "Screw Richt, he left a bare cupboard!" way.
Now that we are winning this year we want to give Kirby credit for talent Richt brought in, and downplay the meaning?
Last year we all heard that we should not expect much for 2-3 years, because it would take that long for Kirby to replenish the talent. However, I only expect the intellectually honest posters on here to agree that that was what the narrative was. the rest will deflect and make excuses for the hysteria that went on last season.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:22 pm to djsdawg
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We had an 8-5 type situation last year. Year 1 is almost always a transition year, especially with a freshman at qb.
Really? What year is Fromm in, again?
However, I also understand what you are saying, and agree to a large degree. But it wasn't because the cupboard was bare. There was talent there.....and I think part of our problem was our coaching staff had to get to know our players and what they were capable of.
That's why carter starting playing much better halfway through the season. The coaches began understanding how to put him into a position he could excell in. Same for so many players this year. If our OLine was so devoid of talent last year, why are they playing much better this year? because of Andrew Thomas? no. because they are playing in their more natural positions.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:26 pm to fibonaccisquared
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I would chalk the 7-5 record more up to the coaching shift than the talent/experience/depth.
I can accept the coaching change, depth, and experience. I think all of these things played a part.
I am not blaming Kirby by any measure. he was new and learning. My problem was with the people wanting to act like they knew all about football, and then saying we had no talent on the roster. We have way too many fans that are incapable of giving the prior coaches credit where credit is due, and think in order to support the new coaching staff they have to belittle and criticize the old coaching staff.
Crap. We can admit that Richt was arguably the best coach UGA has ever had, while also saying we hope Kirby takes his place in that spot.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:31 pm to DawgsLife
Fromm came in more ready to play than Eason and has a 2nd year program to help support him. Every position group is better in year 2.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:36 pm to SquatchDawg
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Who is this "they" and where did anyone claim UGA was devoid of talent?
I don't remember who said it. I am not one to bump a bunch of posts. But when questioned last year someone bumped a thread in which someone claimed we had a bare cupboard, and many jumped in agreeing. People were generally screaming about how Richt left UGA and left us with a bare cupboard. now, if they meant a lack of depth, then they need to understand that does nor equate to bare cupboard. For the amount of criticism and vitriol that was aimed at Richt last year....it was embarrassing.
However....sorry. I don't remember who said it and who agreed with it. Even if I did, I probably wouldn't call them out on it. I tend to make general statements and not call out individual posters.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:37 pm to djsdawg
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Fromm came in more ready to play than Eason and has a 2nd year program to help support hi
It would appear so. Yes.
quote:True. But if the cupboard were bare, then all those position groups would be headed up by freshmen, would they not?
Every position group is better in year 2.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 1:42 pm to DawgsLife
"Cupboard is bare" is figure of speech. It's not meant to be taken literally imo.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:02 pm to SquatchDawg
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Who is this "they" and where did anyone claim UGA was devoid of talent?
Huh?Were you on this board last year?Look at the comments made after the Ole Miss or Nichols State game.
All were directed at CMR and the lack talent left last year and God forbid anyone who disagreed.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:15 pm to RD Dawg
We did lack talent and depth and in important positions - which everyone appears to agree with. But apparently there is a "they" that went beyond that.
This whole thing is an exercise in semantics.
This whole thing is an exercise in semantics.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 2:18 pm to DawgsLife
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hen they need to understand that does nor equate to bare cupboard
We'll make sure not to use this terminology again.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:11 pm to djsdawg
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"Cupboard is bare" is figure of speech. It's not meant to be taken literally imo.
Exactly how is it meant to be taken, when people use it within the context of reasoning why Vandy beat us. Nicholls and Missouri played us close? The one thta said it and those that echoed the words seemed to indicate that Richt had left us with no talent, and last year was all on him.
And, I looked up "Cupboard is bare" and the definition seemed pretty clear to say exactly what they were insinuating.....but hey, who knows. I do remember them trashing Carter....and lets not forget all the arguments about how much, or little talent we had on the Oline.
Posted on 11/17/17 at 3:17 pm to SquatchDawg
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We did lack talent and depth and in important positions - which everyone appears to agree with.
Depth yes, but certainly not talent. What all do seem to agree on is that almost every major contributor this year was on last years team.
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But apparently there is a "they" that went beyond that.
Yes "they" did. I hate that I can't remember who made a comment from a year ago. And there were several who jumped on that train agreeing with "them".
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This whole thing is an exercise in semantics.
Bare cupborad is pretty self explanatory.
However, this thread is all about Kirby saying the cupboard was not bare last year. Now y'all want to jump on that train and say he is right? Either he is right, or he doesn't know what he is talking about. All I know is he seems to be agreeing with what I was thinking last year, and many on this board argued with me about.
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