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re: Kirby going with Stet
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:30 am to SidewalkDawg
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:30 am to SidewalkDawg
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Sure JT is probably the better QB by the stats. But he wasn't the one who got us there.
Hopefully you're not saying that that Bennett is playing over the better QB based on loyalty? If the offense came to be designed more around Bennett and Daniels simply missed too much of the season to effectively come in now, that makes sense.
But if Daniels was fully healthy five or six weeks ago and he's the better QB, he should have had a legitimate opportunity to regain his job. (Personally, my suspicion is that he wasn't fully worked back from injury until more recently than was stated...and if he truly is fully capable of stepping in now and playing like someone who played all year, I don't know).
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 11:31 am
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Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:34 am to Lucius Clay
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Hopefully you're not saying that that Bennett is playing over the better QB based on loyalty? If the offense came to be designed more around Bennett and Daniels simply missed too much of the season to effectively come in now, that makes sense.
But if Daniels was fully healthy five or six weeks ago and he's the better QB, he should have had a legitimate opportunity to regain his job. (Personally, my suspicion is that he wasn't fully worked back from injury until more recently than was stated...and if he truly is fully capable of stepping in now and playing like someone who played all year, I don't know).
I'm saying you don't frick with what's working. JT took a while to get better. During that time, Stetson was winning games.
You don't pull out a guy who is winning, to put in a guy you think might be better until the guy who is winning gives you reason to.
Especially considering Kirby see's their performance during practice and by all accounts, he wasn't seeing much of a gap.
Other than that, we have no idea how the team feels about either QB, maybe they play harder for Stetson. Who knows. There are an untold amount of variables to consider.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:35 am to SidewalkDawg
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Starting Stetson wasn't a mistake
No, but leaving us with no backup plan is. JT should have been in games earlier and throwing more.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:36 am to olddawg26
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No, but leaving us with no backup plan is. JT should have been in games earlier and throwing more.
100% agree.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:40 am to LarryCulpepper
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Also pretty fricking obvious that we would be 12-0 with any other qb starting during the regular season.
So should have we started Beck against UAB? Auburn? Kentucky? Florida? Arkansas? You said it. Defend it.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:40 am to SidewalkDawg
I think that’s what a lot of the issue is.
When stet struggles, when any player struggles, that’s when other players have a chance to move up on the depth charts. JT hasn’t been given that opportunity after his injury, for whatever reason. He wasn’t even allowed to throw the ball vs tech. If stet were to get injured during a game we literally would be so predictable due to him not having much game time experience.
If stet struggles again against Michigan and hopefully if we play Bama, and Kirby doesn’t pull him and try a new direction then we have a more serious problem at the top.
When stet struggles, when any player struggles, that’s when other players have a chance to move up on the depth charts. JT hasn’t been given that opportunity after his injury, for whatever reason. He wasn’t even allowed to throw the ball vs tech. If stet were to get injured during a game we literally would be so predictable due to him not having much game time experience.
If stet struggles again against Michigan and hopefully if we play Bama, and Kirby doesn’t pull him and try a new direction then we have a more serious problem at the top.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:43 am to olddawg26
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Kirby doesn’t pull him and try a new direction then we have a more serious problem at the top.
Unless there is something going on with JT that Kirby won't mention...maybe for privacy reasons. Just a guess.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:45 am to olddawg26
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JT should have been in games earlier and throwing more
When asked if putting JT in the game Saturday was ever considered or discussed Kirby replied "No not at all". Not even considered. Didn't cross his mind. Its all Stet no matter what
Posted on 12/6/21 at 11:45 am to Spaceman Spiff
Of course. If there’s more behind the scenes than just Kirby and jt butting heads then okay.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:02 pm to LarryCulpepper
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We won in spite of Stetson not because of him.
Stetson was 2nd in the country in yards per attempt. I get thinking he can’t win us a shootout. That’s probably true if we play a decent defense. But he was a solid player in the regular season. He just doesn’t look the part.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:17 pm to SidewalkDawg
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You don't pull out a guy who is winning, to put in a guy you think might be better until the guy who is winning gives you reason to.
OR.....
Tagovailoa entered the game at halftime, replacing a struggling Jalen Hurts, and threw three touchdown passes, including the game-ender to give the Crimson Tide its fifth national championship since 2009 under coach Nick Saban.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:18 pm to bbqdawg
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OR.....
Tagovailoa entered the game at halftime, replacing a struggling Jalen Hurts, and threw three touchdown passes, including the game-ender to give the Crimson Tide its fifth national championship since 2009 under coach Nick Saban.
How does what I said differ in any way from what you said?
Hurts gave him reason to change. Tua didn't start the game.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:25 pm to bbqdawg
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OR.....
Tagovailoa entered the game at halftime, replacing a struggling Jalen Hurts, and threw three touchdown passes, including the game-ender to give the Crimson Tide its fifth national championship since 2009 under coach Nick Saban.
I knew eventually Stet would have a WTF game and was grateful to have JT ready to back him up and do a similar bailout like Bama has done twice with Tua/Hurts. After the pick 6, I was confused why we didn't at least try to mix it up with JT at that point, instead of seemingly just giving up. I say this as a Stetson fan who agreed with Stetson being the starter all season once he showed he was clearly a different QB than in 2020.
There has to be more going on behind the scenes than we know. Contrary to popular belief, Kirby is not a moron. 120+ other football teams out there would trade their coach for Kirby today, no questions asked.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:27 pm to bbqdawg
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Tagovailoa entered the game at halftime, replacing a struggling Jalen Hurts, and threw three touchdown passes,
It’s easier to pull someone at halftime, and were you gonna pull Stetson at halftime of the Bama game?
He was playing well to that point outside of maybe one or two throws.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:27 pm to SidewalkDawg
Stetson may have won the season but we wasn't winning at half time Saturday night. I think the change needed to be made. Hell, we could of even tried running it again.
Saturday Stetson was running for his life and in my opinion when he started to run there was no chance of him trying to get the ball down field. He was running for the corner. I think JT can scramble and I like JT's arm in those situations.
Saturday Stetson was running for his life and in my opinion when he started to run there was no chance of him trying to get the ball down field. He was running for the corner. I think JT can scramble and I like JT's arm in those situations.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 12:56 pm to deeprig9
Kirby is a great recruiter and defensive coach. He has made multiple mistakes with the QBs and has shown nothing to contradict that.
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:02 pm to AlaCowboy
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So should have we started Beck against UAB? Auburn? Kentucky? Florida? Arkansas? You said it. Defend it.
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I never said we should start anyone else when JT was hurt. My point was any one of them could have went 12-0 had we started them.
Defense gave up at most 17 points in regular season while simultaneously giving us short fields to work with on offense. I'm saying any quarterback on our roster including D'wan Mathis if he didn't transfer, would have went 12-0. Prove to me what Stetson did that was so great to keep us from losing games.
Remember if it wasn't for our defense we go into halftime at Florida 3-0.
This post was edited on 12/6/21 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:08 pm to bbqdawg
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Stetson may have won the season but we wasn't winning at half time Saturday night. I think the change needed to be made. Hell, we could of even tried running it again.
You think the change needed to be made at halftime?
When Stetson was 11/16 with 168 yards and 2tds?
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:12 pm to deeprig9
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There has to be more going on behind the scenes than we know. Contrary to popular belief, Kirby is not a moron. 120+ other football teams out there would trade their coach for Kirby today, no questions asked.
got to be. anyone ask the insider guy who started the new board about it?
i brought it up in another thread, and it is nothing but conjecture, but JT's mentor, Trevor Moawad died right before the USCe game unexpectedly. JT played the USCe game, but the next week was Vandy when he came out of the game at a weird time, and didnt play again until 11/6.
I wonder if losing this guy has messed him up mentally.
here is a quote from JT on the his mentor passing
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“Trevor was one of my best friends,” Daniels said. “Everything that I talk about when I talk about concepts, or when I talk about staying neutral, there are so many things when I get asked questions I answer media honestly and everything comes from what I’ve learned from Trevor.”
Daniels began working with Moawad when he was in seventh grade, said he was still having enough trouble processing the news that he had to leave a meeting. As Saturday’s game approached, Daniels pulled up the last video that Moawad made for him: Moawad would send videos to Daniels before every game.
“I was tearing up in the locker room watching the last video he sent me,” Daniels said. “It was crazy to me that I won’t get a new one. But it puts a lot of things in perspective for me, and I really got to appreciate him for everything he was and for everyone he impacted.”
Posted on 12/6/21 at 1:18 pm to Dawgsontop34
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You think the change needed to be made at halftime?
When Stetson was 11/16 with 168 yards and 2tds?
mmmm. maybe we should have. We were loosing. What did he finish the game with? A 75 QBR? Don't get me wrong, I don't care who is taking the snaps, as long as we being productive and countering scores with our own.
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