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re: JT supporters, is JT still > Stet?

Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:16 pm to
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86442 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 3:16 pm to
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Stetson should have been the guy from the day he walked on campus. Go back and watch him outplay Eason and Fromm in the 2017 G Day Game.


man you must really mistrust kirby then considering he was never higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart prior to opening day of 2020
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 8:56 pm to
They said he was lighting up the scout team, but I think the offense has been progressively tailored to his strengths since he took over as starter. I think he also sees the field better and has matured. We will never know what would have happened if he was the starter then, but Id be shocked if he would have been as successful. Speculation in any case. He is a great story and its fun to see him get respect from everyone other than the trashiest of trash people.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6942 posts
Posted on 9/23/22 at 10:56 pm to
The WR ran a poor route. Had he broken sharply the DB would have been behind him and probably interfered instead of intercepting.
I watch Ladd McConkey run patterns and he makes sharp cuts and the DB is behind him and about 3-4 yards off.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 6:34 am to
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The WR ran a poor route.

Ok.

But Daniels threw the ball. I'm not sure why people cannot understand that you cannot throw the ball into coverage. The DB was there from the beginning.

The DB did not break from 10-15 yards away, he was 4 yards from where the designed route took the WR....whether or not the WR ran a rounded off route or not it took his where it ws designed. A QB HAS to recognize that and either throw the ball away or go to a secondary receiver.

That pass reminded me of the pass AR threw against us at Florida that Dean took all the way back. The QB has to recognize the coverage and not throw the ball.

The elngths some of you will go to to show that Daniels should have been the starter last year is amazing and mystifying to me, sometimes.

You can't give our coaches or current QB any credit for being better.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6942 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 9:36 am to
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The elngths some of you will go to to show that Daniels should have been the starter last year is amazing and mystifying to me, sometimes.


I never said JT should have been the starter last year. Get your facts straight before you accuse others of something. I wasn't even impressed with JT in his limited play against the weakest part of our 2020 schedule. I chalked it up to being rusty after being injured for so long but 2021 proved that was not the case.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 10:35 am to
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I never said JT should have been the starter last year. Get your facts straight before you accuse others of something. I wasn't even impressed with JT in his limited play against the weakest part of our 2020 schedule. I chalked it up to being rusty after being injured for so long but 2021 proved that was not the case.




Fair enough. Then how can you possibly defend Daniels for throwing that pass? You can (and have) argued that the WR ran a poor route. If so, then Daniels should not have thrown the pass. The DB was 4 yards from the WR. He should have thrown the ball away or gone to secondary receivers.

Don't misunderstand me. Bennett has made a ton of questionable throws in his time here. But Daniels was throw was a very poor choice.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6942 posts
Posted on 9/24/22 at 4:18 pm to
Had the WR made a good, sharp break he would have been open. JT threw the pass before the ER made that poor break. He should have been looking at other targets, but in my opinion the INT was on the WR for running a poor pattern.
I never played at the college level, but my HS coaches always said the DB was trying to cover where you are going at that moment, so a quick, sharp break will put him two steps behind you.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58902 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 6:27 am to
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Had the WR made a good, sharp break he would have been open.

No. He would not. If anything it would have brought him closer to the DB. As it was, the DB was 4 yards off the route. A QB cannot throw into coverage. Daniels threw int coverage and paid the price.

Even if I were to concede the WR ran a poor route, Daniels still should not have thrown the pass. You can't throw into coverage for any reason and not expect to get picked off.

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I never played at the college level, but my HS coaches always said the DB was trying to cover where you are going at that moment, so a quick, sharp break will put him two steps behind you.


You can't put a blanket statement like that. A WQR should adjust his route depending on the circumstances, but if the WR does not the QB still can't throw the ball into coverage. It is especially bad on an out route because it lends itself to exactly what happened. A Pick 6. If you can't see or understand this, then it is on you....and Daniels.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6942 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 1:19 pm to
Whatever you say.
Posted by Bradb5291
Member since Nov 2021
106 posts
Posted on 9/25/22 at 8:06 pm to
I think people forget Stetson lost the job to JT in 2020 and he kept it through out the off-season until he got hurt a few games into the 2021 season. The only reason people were questioning Kirby is Bc of the fields situation. Stetson is our QB unless he gets injured and there’s a very good chance he’s sitting in NY during the Heisman Ceremony!
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