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re: Interesting, and depressing read from an A&M reporter on UGA's offense
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:17 pm to meansonny
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:17 pm to meansonny
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More passes than Tebow.
More snaps than DJ Shockley's 2 QB system.
Our definition of never must be different.
Cheers to you and your extremes. They make you sound genuine.
Our definition is different.
Total plays per game as a healthy player
Without including patsies:
02 DJS: 8.3
06 Tebow: 7.7
18 fields: 4
Richt handled it better than Kirby did. Richt didn’t hold his talented backup back like Kirby did. Only an injury slowed DJS down.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:21 pm to djsdawg
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02 DJS: 8.3
06 Tebow: 7.7
18 fields: 4
Your stats are either made up or wrong.
You got a link?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:40 pm to meansonny
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More passes than Tebow.
More snaps than DJ Shockley's 2 QB system.
Our definition of never must be different.
Cheers to you and your extremes. They make you sound genuine.
Every snap was meaningless. He still completed 69% with 8TD 0INT, but it that didn't qualify for meaningful snaps even when the starter (who he was obviously better than) was struggling mightily after not playing particularly well for half the season.
He's a much better passer than either Shock or Tebow and as good a runner as either.
If you're more talented than a starter who is struggling and your coach doesn't give you a chance at present it makes sense not to expect a fair chance later. If you have options and you're worried about your future transferring is the only logical decision.
Did that end in a Natty? SECC? No. So here is the result so far: Right now there's Heisman QB who is significantly better than the UGA QB starting at another school with 47 Touchdowns and 1 interception.
I used to be on the other side of this, but it's most certainly a mistake. Unequivocally. Saying otherwise invites ridicule.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 8:35 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 8:35 pm to chillmonster
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used to be on the other side of this,
Other side of what?
People claim that he got meaningless snaps.
Most of them were not garbage time. Most of them were questionable snaps. Why would you put him in here (i.e. 3rd series for no rhyme or reason, etc..).
The plan was there was no plan. That was obvious. But they included first half snaps. Hell... he was in the SECCG.
The fact remains that Kirby nor Fromm ran off fields. Only fields did that. No one can bitch when a kid walks himself out of a lockerroom. That's on the kid. More power to him.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:46 pm to djsdawg
quote:So CKS doesn’t bench his proven starter in one game in the middle of the season and that was his “choice” which caused Fields to leave? Don’t you hear how bad that sounds for Fields? How selfish and entitled that sounds when he had proven nothing at that point?
And I would argue your take is ignorant. Kirby literally had a choice to make and he made it, and so far, it’s been proven to be a mistake, one that he may never live down.
You have to think like a coach. There is no way CKS benches Fromm at any other point in the season, and even if he did so during the LSU game, Fromm still played out like a pro to end the season.
And whether or not Fields had more raw talent last year is irrelevant. He wasn’t the better QB for our team last season and he left before he could prove his progression.
I know several posters here want to blame the coaches for Fields leaving, but that decision was entirely on Fields. Blame him for not being in our roster.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 10:39 pm to djsdawg
quote:Huh? Not sure I follow the analogy here. Neither Obama nor Clinton were the incumbent President. Fromm was the incumbent and entrenched starter when Fields cane along. By the way, Fields knew this when he committed.
Using your chosen topic, neither did Barack “wait his turn”, but they gave him a chance over the chosen Hilary, and the rest is history. It’s a gamble either way. So far it looks like we lost.
quote:Fields might be great but he still needed to understand the situation he was in. We weren’t in desperate need of him like we were with Fromm the season before. Even though Fromm was a veteran as a true sophomore, Fields was in a competition with him. Fields got prime snaps during real games, even to the detriment of Fromm, who outside of the LSU game had not given the coaching staff any reason to replace him. Reports were that Fromm looked sharp in practice all season, and if you believe CKS, he puts a premium on practice performance.
When you watch a guy you are more talented than stay on the field struggling, and you never get a legit chance, your head coach is leaving a bad impression. In other words. Kirby gave him no other good choice but to leave. He left zero reason for fields to stick around if he wanted to lead a team to a championship.
Bottom line is that Fields was in a crappy situation if he wanted an easy road to being a starter. He should’ve been red shirted but he didn’t want it. Instead, he was put into the games all season where he would disrupt the flow of the other QB although he didn’t have to have that. He could have sat out a season and used the off season to win the spot. He didn’t do that. He wanted to play immediately and not gamble with losing out again to Fromm so he left. That was a good move for him but a selfish move.
You and others make it seem like he was forced out. He wasn’t. He didn’t want to compete. He thought he was the best ever and didn’t understand why they weren’t playing him over a white country boy. He bolted at the end of his freshman season.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 8:12 am
Posted on 12/3/19 at 11:08 pm to meansonny
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Your stats are either made up or wrong.
What makes them “either made up or wrong”?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:02 am to meansonny
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The irony is that Fromm struggled when splitting reps.
Have you watched this year? Fromm has struggled all year long without splitting reps, save for the Florida game. He has missed numerous TDS and countless open receivers over the course of the season. His footwork and mechanics have often been poor as well, this from a junior QB. This year isn’t new for Fromm. He’s had a couple of poor games every year, and this entire season has ranged from mediocre to poor.
Yes, the jury is still out on Coley and the receivers are young and inexperienced, but that doesn’t absolve Fromm of his many issues. When you have trouble hitting a guy 10 yards in front of you, you’ve got problems. If Fields leads OSU to a title, it will sting even more and make Smart’s decision making and judgement look suspect at best.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 12:04 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:22 am to djsdawg
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What makes them “either made up or wrong”?
You should know. You made them up.
Just glancing at them, I know Fields is off. He has more pass attempts and rush attempts than 4 per game. And we all know that he could hand the frick out of the ball.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:24 am to HTDawg
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The irony is that Fromm struggled when splitting reps.
Have you watched this year?
Do you read/listen? Or just jump into random conversations and input thoughts from left field?
We were talking about last season with Fields. And when Fields got fewer reps, Fromm played better (UF game on).
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:15 am to HTDawg
quote:You talking about the miss to Herrien where he was throwing in the rain with a glove on that he wasn’t used to? I hope you aren’t because that isn’t indicative of his play all season to receivers 10 yards away.
When you have trouble hitting a guy 10 yards in front of you, you’ve got problems.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:12 am to meansonny
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You should know. You made them up.
Just glancing at them, I know Fields is off. He has more pass attempts and rush attempts than 4 per game. And we all know that he could hand the frick out of the ball.
So let’s see your numbers, and then we can compare who messed up.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:56 am to djsdawg
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So let’s see your numbers, and then we can compare who messed up.
Fields had 81 run and pass plays last year. That doesn't count handoffs.
81/12 is 6.75.
You truly are a dumbass.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:01 am to meansonny
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We were talking about last season with Fields. And when Fields got fewer reps, Fromm played better (UF game on).
The implication being it was splitting reps that caused him to struggle. He hasn't split anything this year and he still struggled all year. This is not difficult to follow.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:07 am to FooManChoo
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You talking about the miss to Herrien where he was throwing in the rain with a glove on that he wasn’t used to? I hope you aren’t because that isn’t indicative of his play all season to receivers 10 yards away.
If that was his only miss you might have a point. Fromm has missed open guys all season, even on sunny days. He's not even seen wide open guys at other times, like Swift being wide open across the middle for a winning TD on the final drive against South Carolina.
If you want to keep making excuses for Fromm, knock yourself. Your arguments don't have any merit, at least not where Fromm is concerned.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:09 am to meansonny
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Fields had 81 run and pass plays last year. That doesn't count handoffs.
81/12 is 6.75.
You truly are a dumbass.
He was available for 14 games, so you are supposed to divide 81 plays by 14 = 5.7
37 of his plays were vs 3 patsies, so that’s now 11 games for 44 plays = 4
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:12 am to HTDawg
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implication being it was splitting reps that caused him to struggle. He hasn't split anything this year and he still struggled all year. This is not difficult to follow.
It’s very difficult for meansonny to follow.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:16 am to djsdawg
First off... you dont get to change the definition of plays per game. He didn't play against Florida. That is not a game that affects his touches per game, passes per game, yards per game.
Second... he was available for Texas? He never had the shoulder pads on. He didn't practice with the team.
Third... who subtracts patsies from Chubb, Gurley, Sony, Fromm's stats? If fields is running and throwing, the game isnt out of hand (i.e. South Carolina when he handed the frick out of the ball).
Cheers. This isnt that important to me. I was just curious where you were coming from on the subject. We dont agree. No biggie.
Second... he was available for Texas? He never had the shoulder pads on. He didn't practice with the team.
Third... who subtracts patsies from Chubb, Gurley, Sony, Fromm's stats? If fields is running and throwing, the game isnt out of hand (i.e. South Carolina when he handed the frick out of the ball).
Cheers. This isnt that important to me. I was just curious where you were coming from on the subject. We dont agree. No biggie.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:56 am to meansonny
That’s not how this works. The only way a 0 play game doesn’t count for this kind of comparison is with an injury, which DJS dealt with in 2002. Otherwise, You divide total plays by total games. 0 plays in a game you are available for counts just the same as 1,7, or 11 plays. Disagreeing with that just means you are wrong.
Fields was our back up qb for the Sugar bowl. Didn’t play. Counts just like the Florida game.
The reason to account for patsies is contextual. It shows a disparity as to where his PT came from, which supports my point.
Fields was our back up qb for the Sugar bowl. Didn’t play. Counts just like the Florida game.
The reason to account for patsies is contextual. It shows a disparity as to where his PT came from, which supports my point.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:01 am to djsdawg
I showed my data.
Care to return the favor?
Care to return the favor?
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