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re: I told you all Fromm wanted out

Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:28 am to
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:28 am to
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we do know is that Fields couldn't beat out Fromm


“Couldn’t” do that in practice.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:55 am to
Fromm and several other players wanted out. Team chemistry wasn't there in 2019. Kirby has recruited well but he hasn't managed well or accepted responsibility for poor decisions.
Posted by Gtmodawg
PNW
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 1:58 pm to
I think Fromm is better than Eason. I don't have a clue where the regression came from but good Fromm is better than good Eason...
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 3:48 pm to
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He certainly wouldn't be missing wide open receivers and wide open TDs by 3 feet.
If he was throwing to our receivers this past season, he might have. And on the flip side, if Fromm had more reliable receivers, he likely wouldn't have missed like he did. Fromm was praised for his accuracy (except with the deep ball) for the first two seasons. Why do you think he was good with Cager but not so good with the others? Selective terribleness?

It's interesting to see what a lack of trust does to a QB. Fromm obviously trusted Cager and he was very successful throwing to him.

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He also wouldn't be taking sacks as easily
Fields took his share of sacks. According to NCAA.com, UGA was 6th in the nation for sacks allowed (14) while Ohio State was 101st with 35 sacks allowed. Fields might be more "mobile" than Fromm but it didn't seem to help his team with that stat compared to UGA.

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and his mobility would have probably helped the running game and made us more difficult to defend.
Maybe, but the issue wasn't necessarily that our opponents were just overbearing with their pass defense against our receivers; it was that our receivers weren't consistent with their route running, leverage, and physicality to allow Fromm to trust them enough to target them without worrying about ball security. QB mobility may have helped some, but it wouldn't have made up for the many issues we had in our passing game. Fields wasn't going to throw for 3500 yards with our offense.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 3:49 pm to
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“Couldn’t” do that in practice.
CKS puts a premium on practice reps. If Fields couldn't beat out Fromm in practice, that's on him.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 5:55 pm to
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CKS puts a premium on practice reps. If Fields couldn't beat out Fromm in practice, that's on him.


That’s how you rig a completion. Fields is a gamer and really needed live reps to show his stuff.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7003 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:23 pm to
Pollack and Stinchcomb watched some UGA practices back then. They both reported that Fields was brilliant. I don't think that Fromm every outperformed Fields anywhere after Fields was acclimated.
Posted by Leon S Kennedy
Member since Aug 2016
1297 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 6:58 pm to
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wait, Fields threw it to himself?


I'm saying Fields was not the player screwed that play up. Receiver made the mistake and it is common knowledge. So saying that Fields choked in that moment is completely disingenuous. And I say as someone that is glad he lost.
Posted by Leon S Kennedy
Member since Aug 2016
1297 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:00 pm to
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Fromm and several other players wanted out. Team chemistry wasn't there in 2019. Kirby has recruited well but he hasn't managed well or accepted responsibility for poor decisions.



Apparently team chemistry wasn't there in 2018 either and kept was blamed on Fields. Why are our offensive players always leaving as soon as possible, but not the defensive players?
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13164 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 7:12 pm to
Smart and his defensive staff are coaching up our defensive players and the on-field results speak for themselves.
Conversely, Smart has not hired an innovative OC who can instill fire in our offense apparently because Kirby wants a conservative offense that hearkens back to his days with Alabama. Until he realizes that we need an OC who creates as much excitement about our offense as our defense, he will never have a complete team.
Bottom line: Kirby hire a dynamic OC and give him the reigns.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:10 am to
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That’s how you rig a completion. Fields is a gamer and really needed live reps to show his stuff
Isn't that convenient

Well yes, I get that some players need the pressure of the game to propel them forward, but a conservative coach like CKS isn't going to gamble on that when he's got a QB like Fromm who generally does well in both practice and on the field.

If Fromm wasn't who he was and/or he wasn't at UGA at the same time as Fields, I'm sure Fields would have been the guy in 2018, out of necessity if nothing else. But the fact of the matter is that CKS is never going to bench 2018 Fromm for 2018 Fields in the hopes that 2019 Fields is going to tear it up for us, and that is the smart move.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:15 am to
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Pollack and Stinchcomb watched some UGA practices back then. They both reported that Fields was brilliant. I don't think that Fromm every outperformed Fields anywhere after Fields was acclimated.
1. Pollack and Stinchcomb had a limited sample size.

2. I trust the assessment our coaches who see the players day-in and day-out over the assessments of media analysts (and yes, former UGA players) who have a limited viewing period.

3. Fields likely did play well overall in practice, but by all reports I recall, so did Fromm, and therefore based on the results, it's likely that Fields didn't outperform Fromm overall in practice, even if he did play well once he was acclimated.

4. While 2018 Fields may have practiced well, he didn't exactly wow everyone with his play on the field, even in his limited snaps being able to throw the ball. What he impressed people with was his ability to run with the ball, but that wasn't a need we had at the time.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44838 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:40 am to
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But the fact of the matter is that CKS is never going to bench 2018 Fromm for 2018 Fields in the hopes that 2019 Fields is going to tear it up for us, and that is the smart move.


No, that's the dumb move. You make decisions to give your program the best chance to win a national championship, regardless of the kid's feelings. Coach to win, don't coach not to lose. You HAVE to know that you won't have them both in 2019 and beyond.
This post was edited on 1/10/20 at 10:41 am
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 10:56 am to
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he didn't exactly wow everyone with his play on the field, even in his limited snaps being able to throw the ball.


His passer rating as a QB in 2018 was 178. He displayed a very accurate and strong arm.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:09 am to
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No, that's the dumb move. You make decisions to give your program the best chance to win a national championship, regardless of the kid's feelings. Coach to win, don't coach not to lose. You HAVE to know that you won't have them both in 2019 and beyond.
Let's take a step back from the Fromm/Fields discussion for just a second and look at the season and team from CKS' perspective. We were coming off of a season where we won the SECCG, won our first playoff game against the Heisman winner, and dominated the national champions for 3 quarters, losing in the end due to a bad defensive play. CKS must have been feeling pretty good about our upcoming season, especially our offense.

We had good talent on both sides of the ball, and we while we lost Chubb and Michel, we still had Swift and Holyfield as well as Herrien and several good receivers and TEs that could block and catch for us. Our OL was is good shape and we were returning a QB who as a true freshman was turning heads due to his preparation and poise under pressure and who helped us get to where we were. Our defense was also shaping up to look really good.

Given that context, CKS likely wasn't concerned with potentially throwing away the 2018 season so that he could look to 2019 and beyond. The future is always there to worry about, but not at the expense of the present in college football. CKS needed to keep his team focused to achieve their goals of winning championships in 2018 and then deal with 2019. From all accounts, he did that very thing, even with the Fromm/Fields battle.

Fromm was the consistent, battle-tested journeyman at that point who brought leadership even in his youthfulness and he helped lead our offense to win after win to start the season, sputtering here and there as he was taken out so that Fields could get some snaps (likely to uphold his promises to Fields and his family, whatever they were). Even so, there were no real problems until the LSU game, where everything seemed to go wrong, and yes, even Fromm wasn't on his game there.

CKS had to choose to bench Fromm with the game still in our grasp--showing a lack of trust in our proven starter in favor of an untested player with a lot of potential--or stick with Fromm in the hopes that he would help us get back into the game. By the time it was obvious that the game was over, it wouldn't have mattered if we played Fields, yet if we took out Fromm, it may have further hurt Fromm who I'm sure was still struggling with being questioned all season as he would periodically be taken out so Fields could get the spotlight. Whether you agree with CKS' decision not to bench Fromm during the LSU game, he did so with this season in his mind (he didn't want to completely screw over Fromm so that he wouldn't be able to keep us in the hunt the rest of the season).

As it stood, Fromm was left in the game and played his best football to finish out the season. Whatever you think about the LSU game, you can't deny that Fromm was an asset for us the rest of the season, including playing well against Alabama in the SECCG. We didn't lose that game because of him but he helped get us in a position to win it prior to Hurts decimating our defense.

That was a long recap but my point is this: CKS was playing for the 2018 season, not the 2019 season, and it wouldn't make sense for him to gamble our goals for 2018 to develop a QB for 2019.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:10 am to
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His passer rating as a QB in 2018 was 178. He displayed a very accurate and strong arm.
He had mostly easy throws to open targets in short to medium range. If his primary target wasn't open, he had a tendency to pull the ball down and take off running. That's nothing to bench Fromm for when Fromm was still leading us to wins.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:22 am to
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had mostly easy throws to open targets in short to medium range. If his primary target wasn't open, he had a tendency to pull the ball down and take off running. That's nothing to bench Fromm for when Fromm was still leading us to wins.


It was good enough to warrant more PT in sec games, which conveniently never came.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41673 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:28 am to
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It was good enough to warrant more PT in sec games, which conveniently never came.
Enjoy trashing Fromm with your friends in the HE-MAN FROMM HATERS CLUB while bowing down to your god Justin Fields. For the sake of the board, I'm going to stop engaging you for a while.

I'm sorry you have such a miserable existence that you have to tear down everyone who has given their blood, sweat, and tears for our program. I hope you find some better things to focus on.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44838 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:49 am to
If you replace the words "Jake Fromm" with "Kelly Bryant" and replace "Justin Fields" with "Trevor Lawrence", you have the exact same situation that played out at Clemson. Dabo had the balls to put the better player at QB even though he was a freshman.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32860 posts
Posted on 1/10/20 at 11:54 am to
Sure is funny to see the guy who has been trashing 2 handfuls of uga pass catchers whine about people trashing a single player. As if he already wasn’t the most coddled qb I can recall. Hopefully our next qb can consistently hit open wrs so we can avoid these discussions.
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