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re: How can anyone even have concerns about QB on their radar after winning a natty for the

Posted on 1/21/22 at 9:41 am to
Posted by dhuck20
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 9:41 am to
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That's not a slight to stetson in any way. It's not talking crap abotu him or sayign he sucks. But it's a fact that waaaaaaaay more often than not, if you are a national championship team, you DO have an elite QB. When you talk about the deshaun watson, trevor lawrence, joe burrows of the world, those guys are simply head and shoulders above stetson. That's inarguable. BUT, the good thing is that real life is actually real life, and we DID have one of the best defenses ever. And we did win it all. Which was awesome.
This is fair. This is true.

However, I'd argue Stetson wasn't far off from elite and we could do a lot worse. And we almost found out potentially how much worse we could do if the idiotic fans actually mad at stet had their way and he didn't return.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 9:57 am to
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However, I'd argue Stetson wasn't far off from elite and we could do a lot worse.


It's a pointless exercise that accopmlishes nothing...you coudl argue he looked as good as he did all year because we had our best defense ever. What if we had simply an average defense, how good would stetson have looked then? It doens't matter....because we did have an elite defense. And he did play well for us. So it's irrelevant.

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we almost found out potentially how much worse we could do if the idiotic fans actually mad at stet had their way and he didn't return.


If stetson left, I'd be willing to bet JT (and burton) both return
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:14 am to
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his yera we had a mega-elite defense and still got stomped by alabama when they were decently healthy.
But didn't we have a lot of injuries? Some dating back to the beginning f the season? Injuries work both ways.
I mean their injuries absolutely hurt them and played a part in our win. But our injuries hurt us and played a role in the game, too. It's impossible to say how a season or game would play out if injuries were a non factor. You can never know for sure. Could we have shut Williams and Metchie down with Kimber and Tykee Smith in our secondary? or if we had brought pressure in the SECCG?

maybe. Who knows?



Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60625 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:18 am to
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It's a pointless exercise that accopmlishes nothing...you coudl argue he looked as good as he did all year because we had our best defense ever.

I realize how a defense helps an offense. I get that. But Bennett engineered long drives against Michigan and Alabama. We can play what if all day long.

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If stetson left, I'd be willing to bet JT (and burton) both return
Okay. Do we know that Daniels would bring us a title next year? Which year has he stayed healthy? Bennett leaves then Daniels gets injured and we have BVG and Stockton. maybe they flourish and we go far with them....maybe they look a lot like Mathis when he got his shot. Who knows? Maybe Daniels stays healthy and we win another title.

Who knows? Speculating is fools folly. We know what we have, and we go with it.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:19 am to
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But didn't we have a lot of injuries? Some dating back to the beginning f the season? Injuries work both ways.


eehhh

We didn't have any injuries heading into that game that weren't already long since known.

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I mean their injuries absolutely hurt them and played a part in our win


right that's my point

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But our injuries hurt us and played a role in the game, too


injuries to who, tykee smith? Kendall milton? Arian smith? We pretty much played the entire season without those guys, that doesn't really factor into 1 game in december.

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Could we have shut Williams and Metchie down with Kimber and Tykee Smith in our secondary?


tha'ts not really the discussion though. My point was that in december their secondary, WR group, and OL was pretty healthy and they dominated. In Jan they were already down 1 WR and lost the other early, their secondary was decimated, and OL was banged up. We're talkign about a differnece from early december to early jan between the same teams, not what happened in septmber
Posted by DaWGfan01
PCB FL
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:22 am to
I'm just ecstatic that we won a Natty and a World Series in the same year (technically the same year)...

I don't care if Stetson, JT, Beck, BVG or Sasquatch QB'ed UGA.... We won a Natty with Stetson at the helm of and we have a great chance to have a great season in 2022 with him back at QB for UGA..
Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60625 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:32 am to
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We didn't have any injuries heading into that game that weren't already long since known.


Yep. But weren't theirs known too, except for Williams?

Metchie injure in SECCG.

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right that's my point

I agree, too. But our injuries played a part. You can't only count certain injuries. They all have an effect. No matter when they occur they all have an affect on the remainder of the season.

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injuries to who, tykee smith? Kendall milton? Arian smith? We pretty much played the entire season without those guys, that doesn't really factor into 1 game in december.
So because they were injured and we therefore played without their talents they did not factor into the game? of course they did.

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tha'ts not really the discussion though. My point was that in december their secondary, WR group, and OL was pretty healthy and they dominated. In Jan they were already down 1 WR and lost the other early, their secondary was decimated, and OL was banged up. We're talkign about a differnece from early december to early jan between the same teams, not what happened in septmber
I get that. But we played an entire season without our guys. No matter when you lose a player it has an effect. Our whole season look=s differently with all of our players. Perhaps we become 2019 LSU or 2022 Alabama.

Perhaps we have a healthy JT Daniels all year.

You can't argue that their injuries had an effect on the game and ours didn't based off recency. They all had an effect on the game. Pickens was affected by his injury but played with it. No way he was 100%, right?

Posted by DawgsLife
Ellijay, Ga.
Member since Jun 2013
60625 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:40 am to
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ou fricking idiots are the ones driving it. You can’t let it go. Y’all keep making more posts about it. It’s Probly all you have in life so I feel bad being such a prick to you guys about it but sorry the truth hurts.




I get your frustration. Were you not here the 10-12 weeks before the national title game? This board does not live in a vacuum. The naysayers drove it for 3 months, now it is being driven by others. It's only been a week and a half. Imagine your frustration if it goes for another 10 weeks?

That is what is driving this.

For people not to understand that actions and words have consequences is beyond me. had it been a couple of threads and some memes and even some reasonable posts, this would not be happening.

That's not what happened then and that is not what is happening now.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13480 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:50 am to
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You fricking idiots are the ones driving it. You can’t let it go. Y’all keep making more posts about it. It’s Probly all you have in life so I feel bad being such a prick to you guys about it but sorry the truth hurts.


Don’t you think for one minute that I’m gonna stand idle when I’m in the final 4 with the gapiest cünts of the cünt nation…. NO SIR!!!!
Posted by gothamdawg
NYC
Member since Nov 2015
1075 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:56 am to
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FYI whether you like it or not Bennett will be starting against Oregon at the Benz


I think Kirby will start the QB that best allows us to win.
There's quite some time to go. It could be Stet, or someone else.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13480 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:59 am to
I’d wait til after spring practice and portal to be certain of that.
Posted by GregYoureMyBoyBlue
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 1/21/22 at 11:52 am to
I'm not saying I agree with people regarding concerns. But Trent Dilfer won a superbowl 35 with the Ravens...A great defense can do wonders for offensive statistics and W/Ls
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
43862 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:17 pm to
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Our defense could probably be considered elite in 2019 and 2020, and both years got our doors blown off by elite offenses (while we simultaneously had poor QB play).
While I personally disagree that we had "poor QB play" in 2019 (I believe it was more a factor of attrition and inconsistency at WR), even if I were to grant that, it would only go to show that you need a complete team to win championships. Being "elite" on one side of the ball will only get you so far if the other parts of the team aren't pulling their weight. You don't need an elite offense with an elite defense to win, you just need to be able to move the ball enough to give your defense rest, and your defense needs to be well prepared for that offense it is going up against. The SECCG was a disaster, with our defense not having a good plan for Alabama. The rematch was much different.

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This yera we had a mega-elite defense and still got stomped by alabama when they were decently healthy.
This is true, but it was because our defensive game plan was terrible the first time around. We weren't able to get pressure on Young, for one thing, and he was able to pick our secondary apart because of it. He wasn't nearly as successful the 2nd time around. Part of that was personnel but another part was execution.

We were able to score points on their defense both times, but our defense let us down the first time while it kept us in the game in the rematch.

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In the SECCG they had both their stud WRs for 1 half and were playign a dinged up Robinson (their 2-4 RBs were out hurt I think). In the title game they were moving pretty well until jaemson got hurt early and we completely dominated from there.
It's easy to say one or two players make all the difference, but Alabama is made up almost entirely of the best talent available coming out of high school. They had 4- and 5-stars lined up 3 and 4 deep on their roster with some of the best coaches in college coaching them up. While I'm sure having their two best receivers sidelined impacted their game, they had a month to plan for us with Metchie out and they weren't able to make adjustments that kept us from shutting them down. In the game against Cincinnati, their RB had a career game. He wasn't nearly as dominating against us, though he had some moments. They all but abandoned the run in favor of passing the ball 57 times.

Also, both in 2017 and 2018, their all-world 1st string QBs were completely shut down by us. They had to put in the backups as a wrinkle to keep us on our heels and take advantage of our conservative game calling in the 2nd half. They weren't able to do that this time, and our pressure kept Young from being consistently comfortable, and he's extremely talented.

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2019 lsu and 2020 bama showed that an elite offense simply can't be stopped even by an elite defense. This yera's bama team, even when full strength, wasn't at the level those 2 squads were.
2019 was a special team, so I'm not sure they should be an example of the norm of great offenses being unstoppable even against great defenses. That said, we've heard that said before and we've seen time and time again where great offenses struggle against certain teams. The 2020 Alabama team was losing against Stetson Bennett after the first half, and if we didn't call a bad 2nd half and if Stetson didn't play so poorly to close it out, that would've been a much closer game. They were hardly unstoppable, and our defense wasn't as good as the one we had this year.

My point is that you don't necessarily need an elite QB to win a championship. You need a great or elite team overall, with the players and coaches doing their parts to prepare and execute. Sometimes a great offense is all you need. Sometimes a great defense is all you need. Sometimes you need both. We were able to win with a former walk-on QB without much NFL potential. That broke (or should have broken) the narrative for some who kept parroting that point about needing an elite QB.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Member since Jun 2004
88613 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:32 pm to
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We were able to win with a former walk-on QB without much NFL potential. That broke (or should have broken) the narrative for some who kept parroting that point about needing an elite QB.


It did break it. i've said as much several times. We now have irrefutable proof that you can win it all with a really really good QB even if they aren't a heisman finalist. BUT, if that is the case you also better have a REALLY elite defense, and we just happend to have the best we've ever had. So it all worked out great for us in 2021. No complaints.
Posted by Bradb5291
Member since Nov 2021
143 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:47 pm to
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I think Kirby will start the QB that best allows us to win.
There's quite some time to go. It could be Stet, or someone else


Just like Fromm secured his job for the following season by making the NC game, Stetson pretty much secured his by winning the game.. TBH I know everyone is all in on BVG but I’m not so sure about him yet, there’s a big difference between Single A/private school and the SEC, I’ll have to see some actual snaps played in games before I’m sold on him
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
13480 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 4:48 pm to
That is an assumption
Posted by Bradb5291
Member since Nov 2021
143 posts
Posted on 1/21/22 at 10:41 pm to
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That is an assumption


Kirby isn’t going to take a guy out that’s winning football games
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