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re: Heard a rumor on why Notre Dame tickets are ridiculous
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:57 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Posted on 8/6/17 at 1:57 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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Giving 600 of the alumni tickets to one single "big wig" would be like chopping a giant limb off the money tree or taking a shite on top of the money printing machine.
It's absolutely comical to think about. I have to imagine that there is very little turnover in ND season tickets, with holders saying "I do not want to renew for next year" from one year to the next. The fact that one guy, who presumably has a max of 8-10 tickets to his name (which is way on the high side if it's apples to apples to UGA), could just somehow request an extra 590 seats is just mind blowing. I mean where are these seats going to come from? they certainly can't force season ticket holders to move or not renew their seats just to give to this guy, so basically on the off-chance (highly doubtful) that there were ~600 season tickets not renewed from last year to this year, ND would give ALL OF THEM to this one guy? And in reality if someone had that much money anyway to afford the contribution minimum per seat, on top of the actual ticket price per seat, those kinda people are buying box suites anyway.
When you think about it it really is just a completely absurd notion. What someone on another board suggested was that this guy (I assume we're all talking about the same guy that several UGA folks have bought from, the guy who sells for all sporting events not just UGA football) would just "sell tickets" early without actually having any in the hopes that he would be able to buy from whatever his sources are then sell later for more. But rest assured I can absolutely guarantee you that no single person, ND alum or otherwise, is actually holding 600 tickets to any game. Not even the Louisiana-Lafette's of the world much less the friggin UGA game.
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Posted on 8/6/17 at 5:48 pm to djsdawg
1 of the current 14 members, not giving up that info as it will probably be happening at more schools in the SEC in the future. More and more schools across the country are getting rid of their internal staff to sub out the work from folks who scalp like Ticketmaster and Stub Hub. AD's are looking short term and feathering their personal nests at the expense of the long term personal staff necessary to retain long term donors. Very short sighted in my opinion and may lead to a major sports bubble as the Baby Boomers (80% of current donor revenue) dies off or is living in nursing homes. They have not personally engaged the next generation enough and that revenue will die off in the next 5 to 10 years.
Overpricing has ha the greatest effect on live events even tho they like to blame it on TV's and home entertainment. Problem with TV fans is they are way less committed to a team or school (especially when they are not at the top of a sport) than folks who have experienced live events especially if it was a rite of passage event like attending a sporting event with your dad or granddad.
Overpricing has ha the greatest effect on live events even tho they like to blame it on TV's and home entertainment. Problem with TV fans is they are way less committed to a team or school (especially when they are not at the top of a sport) than folks who have experienced live events especially if it was a rite of passage event like attending a sporting event with your dad or granddad.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:06 pm to Cheese Grits
Why can't you disclose who did it? We need some transparency here before it gets out of hand.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:07 pm to djsdawg
Because it didn't happen....
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:12 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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So, because ticket brokers are involved in the Final Four, and because people scalp tickets at the SECcg and college football playoff..... this means that the ND alumni association gave a "big wig" 600 tickets to the Georgia game to scalp?
Wether it was the Alumni Association or the school itself, it would be less surprising if such a thing had happened if say the "big wig" was connected with one of the big ticket operators like TicketMaster or Stub Hub. At least 1,000 seats per school section (say 1,000 seats x 4 participating schools = 4,000) in the lower arena not behind the baskets (This is not including the seats in both mid court sides about 3 sections wide on each side) that used to go to the 4 schools donors and fans now do not go to the schools at all. Basically he was in the lucky gene pool and was already rich growing up and just getting richer by rubbing elbows with his rich friends. All the while not being a fan of any of the 4 teams participating nor giving any of the schools a dime for the right to buy the tickets. Part of the "Greed is Good" generation who is killing the long term because they have no skin in the game and do not care about the teams involved.
Was at a recent Final Four and met a guy who had a large block of good lower seats in said sections who did not give a single dime to the donor fund of any of the 4 participating schools. He was just some random dude who happened to be buds with some of the Stub Hub guys when they were all at Stanford.
While the probability of a Notre Dame "big wig" is not high, it would not surprise me if a person connected to Notre Dame got 600 tickets. in an age where a school wants to appear to keep selling out a venue it would not shock me in the least if they sold a big block to accomplish it. What is more surprising is that it would actually become public. Like the SEC school selling 5,000 to 10,000 tickets per game in a block before donors and fans is happening right now. Just not public.
In the age of greed and laziness we now live in not sure why you do not see this or maybe you just prefer not to. Even a football school like Alabama or a basketball school like Kentucky are not really "sold out" when they say they are as they have pre sold blocks to keep their attendance numbers looking good even if it does not match the turnstile count at tyne live event. Personally, I would love it if the NCAA mandated only turnstile attendance and not just tickets sold. With tickets sold it is too easy to manipulate the numbers. I saw this firsthand in the 1980's and 1990's at the professional sports level as I was involved with a professional sports league at the time.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:21 pm to djsdawg
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We need some transparency here before it gets out of hand.
I agree but it needs to come from the grass roots of each schools fans and it has to be sustainable numbers, not just a random few who discuss it on tRant. Disclosure without action is wasted effort.
Do some research on your own, just don't be surprised at the answers you get. A good place to start is your own school and if they have a 3rd party dealer like IMG or JMI paying the school big dollars for rights. It is like when some 3rd party calls you on the phone saying they represent the FOP and turns out they are just a telemarketer for the FOP and keep 90 to 95 cents of the dollar you give them while only passing on 5 to 10 cents to the FOP. When I give to the FOP I do so in person at their local office where 1 dollar goes 100% to the FOP.
Many folks would be shocked to find they are being solicited for school donations by a 3rd party and still not sure why the IRS does not crack down on this by taking away the deductibility of the donated funds that go directly to the 3rd party.
As stated before, does not matter who is doing it now as in a few years they all will be doing it.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:35 pm to Cheese Grits
I don't understand why you are being so evasive about disclosing who did it. A grassroots effort cant happen without the knowledge of the offense.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 6:36 pm to Cheese Grits
Cheese Grits, It's in the best interest of Notre Dame and their bottom line and the future of their money tree/money printing machine.... to directly issue as many tickets to as many different alumni and fans as is possible. Basic economics 101.
I'm sorry, but this is worse than the time you claimed to have ran around chasing tail with Colonerl Sanders. Who would be 150 years old today if still alive. ALso, you are a dyed in the wool commie. Which is gross.
I'm sorry, but this is worse than the time you claimed to have ran around chasing tail with Colonerl Sanders. Who would be 150 years old today if still alive. ALso, you are a dyed in the wool commie. Which is gross.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:07 pm to deeprig9
The gas/oil disruptions affecting prices isn't a fair example. As was noted demand for oil is inelastic and determined by futures prices and speculation. Futures priced in a shortage that really never turned out to be that bad.
This post was edited on 8/6/17 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:14 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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It's in the best interest of Notre Dame and their bottom line and the future of their money tree/money printing machine.... to directly issue as many tickets to as many different alumni and fans as is possible. Basic economics 101.
That is old school economics where you cared about your customers, especially the long term ones. Not sure how old you are now but I can assure you there was a time when folks in the ticket office knew and cared about their actual customers.
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I'm sorry, but this is worse than the time you claimed to have ran around chasing tail with Colonerl Sanders.
A) He would be closer to 125, not 150, and if I am say in my 80's, that would make him just 40 years older than me. This may shock you but there was a time in America where you hung out with the older generations and even partied with them, especially in the south.
B) His daughter lived across the street from our old house, so yes I spent time with him and his family and was very close to some of his extended family. If you can't understand this simple concept then you are either trolling or just a bit of a slow coach. I hope you are just trolling and will give you credit for being smarter than this.
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ALso, you are a dyed in the wool commie.
Ha Ha, now I know you are trolling. I have been called many things in my life, but commie was never mentioned. Considering we have served with distinction when called from the French and Indian war to the current conflicts in the middle east your observation is laughable. Again, I truly hope you are trolling as nobody could be dense enough to believe myself or anybody in my family to be a commie. Not a lot of commies among the Irish and Scottish folks and my Italian family got out of Italy ahead of the fascist that ruined the place heading into WWII.
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Which is gross.
Gross is a generation of swine who look to enrich themselves ahead of their family, faith, and immediate community. This is the age of "me" and I was born in the age of "we" when we all had to work together to make America great, and not just talk about doing it like they did starting with RR and continuing to our current POTUS. Give me Tricky Dick any day over some of the republicans who have come along since.
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Yes to Ike, Dick and George Sr.
No to Ronnie, Jr, and Trump.
You are just insecure because I do not blindly follow Jr or Trump, who I think are both out for their own good over the common good of America. Ronnie was just too out to lunch when elected even tho he did have good sound bites.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:18 pm to Cheese Grits
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That is old school economics where you cared about your customers,
No, it's current Notre Dame economics where people pay, I mean "gift", big time dollars just to be allowed into a lottery for single game tickets.
If you want to keep this money tree / money machine growing / rolling then you need for the people who funnel the money to actually get a ticket once in a while.
As for the rest, didn't bother reading it. Sorry.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:25 pm to djsdawg
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A grassroots effort cant happen without the knowledge of the offense.
I have pointed you in the direction and given you clues. Now you need to make the effort.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:34 pm to Cheese Grits
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His daughter lived across the street from our old house,
Was she hot or was she a sweaty been eating too much fried chicken kind of girl?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:35 pm to Cheese Grits
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have pointed you in the direction and given you clues. Now you need to make the effort.
Nah. There is no good reason for you to make this a game of CLUE when you can simply type in a few letters and be done with it.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 7:57 pm to SquatchDawg
His grand daughter was really hot in a girl next door way, not like model or trashy hot tho. Very pretty without makeup. Nice people and very low key.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 10:50 pm to deeprig9
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Those rigs account for less than 1% of global oil supply, but prices shot up globally.
98% of the crude oil extracted is under contract at set prices. What made headlines was the spot market. That is the excess crude that is bought by independent refineries and sold usually to independent distributors who sell to independent retailers. Exxon, Shell, AMACO, etc., were not affected.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 8:39 am to AlaCowboy
I hate to shift the focus off the economics discussion but if anyone gets a lead on 2 tickets at a somewhat reasonable price and wants to help out a fellow GSB member please let me know.
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