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Posted on 5/6/16 at 12:46 pm to DawgsOnTopOfYou
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"Attached" is semantics. They are part of the Constitution.
No, it’s not semantics. Not to me at least. It’s crucial to understand what the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the rest of the amendments are, how they are different, how we ended up with them, and how they’ve led us to where we are now.
Anyone viewing them as one seamless uncontradictory document doesn’t have a single clue what kind of country they are actually living in.
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If, as you said, firearms rights are a state issue (which is not necessarily the case b/c if Georgia decided to ban handguns, I'm sure everyone would cry foul as an unconstitutional restriction of 2nd Amendment rights), there is no debate as to whether it is actually allowed to restrict firearms on college campuses.
Again. The 2nd amendment prevents only the federal government from infringing on the people’s right to bear arms. Georgia or any other state can ban them within their borders all they want, and the feds can’t do jack shite about it. For Georgia to do it though, they’d have to first go through the process of amending the Georgia state Constitution which protects Georgians right to bear arms. Lucky for now, we are probably still a few million ATL yankee transplants away from this being a legitimate threat here thankfully.
Of course on this, you’re foaming at the mouth to say something at about the 14th amendment, but to save you the time of typing it all out I’ll go ahead and answer that the 14th amendment was ratified by force at gun point. It is completely illegitimate. A charade. A fraud. Which goes back to my first point of this post. It’s important to distinguish between the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and each of the later amendments instead of viewing them all as one document. The whole thing is one big perverted ruined fraud and a shrine to the disgusting nature and inevitable corruption from oily busy-body evil politicians.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 1:10 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I'm not "foaming at the mouth" to say something about the 14th Amendment, you're just wrong on the law. Regardless of how the 14th Amendment was ratified, or the 13th and 15th for that matter, it is the law until repealed. So, yes, the 2nd Amendment does apply to Georgia, just like the protections given to freedom of speech, assembly, quartering troops, freedom against unreasonable search and seizures, etc. You can't personally nullify the 14th Amendment because you don't agree with the circumstances under which it was ratified.
I never said viewed together that the Constitution and amendments are "seamless [and] uncontradictory." But, they are amendments, meaning they alter the original document and become effectively a part of it. They are read together. Just like corollaries to wills and contracts. It may not be semantics in your view and, yes, the Bill of Rights and subsequent amendments were drafted in different circumstances, but it doesn't change the fact they have to be read together.
If you say the 14th Amendment is illegitimate, a charade, a fraud, you start arguing what you wish was the case, not what is actually the case. The fact of the matter is, it is in place and has been consistently applied by federal and state courts. Saying the 2nd Amendment only applies to the federal government is simply not true. Georgia cannot bar all guns in its borders anymore than they can muzzle suspected Democrats and socialists from speaking in public.
The Georgia Constitution cannot directly contradict federal substantive law. That's great that Georgia's constitution protects the right to bear arms. But it isn't creating a new right for Georgia citizens, it is reaffirming one already guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. State constitutions can establish law/policy where that power does not rest in the federal government. Your point regarding the Georgia Constitution would be valid in 1867, but has not been right since 1868 when the 14th Amendment was ratified.
I never said viewed together that the Constitution and amendments are "seamless [and] uncontradictory." But, they are amendments, meaning they alter the original document and become effectively a part of it. They are read together. Just like corollaries to wills and contracts. It may not be semantics in your view and, yes, the Bill of Rights and subsequent amendments were drafted in different circumstances, but it doesn't change the fact they have to be read together.
If you say the 14th Amendment is illegitimate, a charade, a fraud, you start arguing what you wish was the case, not what is actually the case. The fact of the matter is, it is in place and has been consistently applied by federal and state courts. Saying the 2nd Amendment only applies to the federal government is simply not true. Georgia cannot bar all guns in its borders anymore than they can muzzle suspected Democrats and socialists from speaking in public.
The Georgia Constitution cannot directly contradict federal substantive law. That's great that Georgia's constitution protects the right to bear arms. But it isn't creating a new right for Georgia citizens, it is reaffirming one already guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. State constitutions can establish law/policy where that power does not rest in the federal government. Your point regarding the Georgia Constitution would be valid in 1867, but has not been right since 1868 when the 14th Amendment was ratified.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 4:51 pm to DawgsOnTopOfYou
Ha! You just said that you’re “not foaming at the mouth to say something about the 14th amendment”, and then proceed to foam at the mouth about the 14th amendment for four paragraphs.. 
Again. The federal government doesn’t grant me the right to own a gun…. nor is it tasked with protecting this right. Anyone who says differently is either ignorant or lying. The small list of enumerated powers the states gave the feds in Article I, section 8 says nothing about protecting the right to bear arms. And amendment 2 of the Bill of Rights simply reminds the feds that they do not have the power to infringe on the right to bear arms.
The states that ratified the Constitution did not give up their sovereignty when doing so. They can install state religions, ban guns, legalize drugs, protect the right to bear arms, criminalize drugs, limit speech, protect speech or do a whole list of things if they can get it past the people and into their state constitutions. And, if the law of the land was respected, the feds couldn’t do anything about it. See amendments 9 & 10 of the US constitution. Have these amendments been repealed? No. They haven’t. I see where amendment 21 repeals 18, but I don't see where 9 and 10 have been repealed. Please advise. Yep. Didn't think so.
But, of course, you’ll completely ignore the 9th and 10th amendments. And you’ll point to discovered rights brought about illegally from an un-ratified 14th amendment meant only to apply to newly freed blacks after the War. It’s garbage. Just because the corrupt system we have today is able to do whatever it wants doesn’t make what it does “constitutional”. This is the problem with Constitutions. They don’t work. And as has been demonstrated by you in this thread, they are actually subverted and usurped and then used to endorse the very things they were actually meant to protect against. It's pretty fricking depressing to think about. This sucks.
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The Georgia Constitution cannot directly contradict federal substantive law. That's great that Georgia's constitution protects the right to bear arms. But it isn't creating a new right for Georgia citizens, it is reaffirming one already guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. State constitutions can establish law/policy where that power does not rest in the federal government
Again. The federal government doesn’t grant me the right to own a gun…. nor is it tasked with protecting this right. Anyone who says differently is either ignorant or lying. The small list of enumerated powers the states gave the feds in Article I, section 8 says nothing about protecting the right to bear arms. And amendment 2 of the Bill of Rights simply reminds the feds that they do not have the power to infringe on the right to bear arms.
The states that ratified the Constitution did not give up their sovereignty when doing so. They can install state religions, ban guns, legalize drugs, protect the right to bear arms, criminalize drugs, limit speech, protect speech or do a whole list of things if they can get it past the people and into their state constitutions. And, if the law of the land was respected, the feds couldn’t do anything about it. See amendments 9 & 10 of the US constitution. Have these amendments been repealed? No. They haven’t. I see where amendment 21 repeals 18, but I don't see where 9 and 10 have been repealed. Please advise. Yep. Didn't think so.
But, of course, you’ll completely ignore the 9th and 10th amendments. And you’ll point to discovered rights brought about illegally from an un-ratified 14th amendment meant only to apply to newly freed blacks after the War. It’s garbage. Just because the corrupt system we have today is able to do whatever it wants doesn’t make what it does “constitutional”. This is the problem with Constitutions. They don’t work. And as has been demonstrated by you in this thread, they are actually subverted and usurped and then used to endorse the very things they were actually meant to protect against. It's pretty fricking depressing to think about. This sucks.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 5:54 pm to LewDawg
anybody that is for this bill, specially over some idea north campus is unsafe is a moron. I've been walking through uga' campus almost daily for 25 years (undergraduate, masters, work) and not once in thousands of hours on UGA's campus have I felt unsafe. what would make me feel unsafe is my daughter, who starts at UGA next year, being surrounded by firearms in class. the idea of this bill is ludicrous and the people who actually live here and make Athens our home, instead of four year visitors, know it.
UGA is safe.
UGA is safe.
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 5:55 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Jefferson Dawg, Hillary Clinton is an inspired leader.
Unfortunately for the world, the source of that inspiration was Angela Lansbury's performance in the 1962 movie The Manchurian Candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjBOZ4r9Ck
Unfortunately for the world, the source of that inspiration was Angela Lansbury's performance in the 1962 movie The Manchurian Candidate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjBOZ4r9Ck
This post was edited on 5/6/16 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:21 pm to Whiznot
Whiznot, If Hillary wins and we end up in the same salt mine/re-education camp, I hereby challenge you to a game of horseshoes, if such things are even allowed during breaks. Loser covers 30 minutes of the others evening shovel shift. You in?
Posted on 5/6/16 at 7:57 pm to Jefferson Dawg
I'm too old to mine salt. They would just shoot me. And if you think for even a minute that Hillary would do anything to hurt the gun industry, think harder.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 8:03 pm to Whiznot
Well when I hear news that the Death Panels have decreed your extermination, I'll have everybody in my mine brigade raise their shovels in salute. Rest in peace whiznot. It's been real.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 8:07 pm to athens-ga
Oh cool, I didn't realize this bill only applied to fricking UGA.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 8:10 pm to Whiznot
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I'm too old to mine salt. They would just shoot me. And if you think for even a minute that Hillary would do anything to hurt the gun industry, think harder.
Might want to research the history of Hillary Clinton.
She's a first class crook and her illegal trading years ago got swept under the rug like everything else she's done. The Clinton's are a criminal enterprise.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 8:52 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
What's also fricked up, is that when I yell "Shovels up!" to my brigade to commemorate his extermination, I will be dropped immediately with a baton across the back or maybe a taser before getting thrown in the hole for a week. And he doesn't even say thanks.
Posted on 5/6/16 at 9:46 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Lew Dawg, Lets brainstorm some photoshop ideas...
1) A raised clinched fist grasping a shovel / "Trump 2016" in Times New Roman below graphic / graphic and text in black with white background
2) Background: the new compromised Georgia flag / Overlay: Trumps head on the Georgia seal part, but use magic to still make seal visible kind of / then / overlay an AR15 graphic with "Come and Take It" "Trump 2016" text over the bars.
What do you think?
1) A raised clinched fist grasping a shovel / "Trump 2016" in Times New Roman below graphic / graphic and text in black with white background
2) Background: the new compromised Georgia flag / Overlay: Trumps head on the Georgia seal part, but use magic to still make seal visible kind of / then / overlay an AR15 graphic with "Come and Take It" "Trump 2016" text over the bars.
What do you think?
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:14 pm to Jefferson Dawg
3) Erase the word "Line" and replace with "Trump" and also replace the Line worker graphic with a Wall-Builder graphic.
Trump Life
Posted on 5/6/16 at 10:52 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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She's a first class crook and her illegal trading years ago got swept under the rug like everything else she's done. The Clinton's are a criminal enterprise.
Gee, that's news to me. I wonder why I didn't figure that out in the 1980's when I was a Federal bank examiner with the FDIC while the Clintons were using a front to loot their S&L to failure. I mean you think I would have figured that out.
Follow my link two posts ago to see what I think about Hillary. I promise that the YouTube video will be entertaining.
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