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Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:51 am to SquatchDawg
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The tests are easier now so you'd still get in. Or are we supposed to belief the recent group of graduates that can't find Canada on a map are that much smarter than the rest of us?
The kids getting 1400 on the SAT aren't the ones who can't find Canada on a map.
More kids are pursuing a college education. This means more kids take the SAT/ACT (and take it seriously), which means there is a higher number of kids who make 1350+. Highly competitive schools now have a bigger pool of applicants to choose from, so they can be more selective. To be competitive in that admissions climate, kids have to do well on their standardized tests, so they spend more time preparing for it. They also have more and cheaper access to preparation material through the internet.
It doesn't really have anything to do with being smarter or dumber. It's a matter of numbers and competition.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 11:55 am to Crowknowsbest
Man. It sucks to be too dumb to get into the state school. Good thing I squeaked by.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
Well....that and they made major changes (and have continued to do so) in 1995 to bring the average score up. You don't do that by making it harder.
The median scores for incoming freshmen to Yale in 1995 were 1390. That tells me that the current UGA average isn't apples v apples.
What - you think kids now are the first ones to try hard and compete to get good scores? They didn't just hand those things out in the "day". Plus our tests weren't revised to provide more "mainstream" vocabulary and reading material or reduce the need to memorization. No calculators or essay exams either.
Interesting history
The median scores for incoming freshmen to Yale in 1995 were 1390. That tells me that the current UGA average isn't apples v apples.
What - you think kids now are the first ones to try hard and compete to get good scores? They didn't just hand those things out in the "day". Plus our tests weren't revised to provide more "mainstream" vocabulary and reading material or reduce the need to memorization. No calculators or essay exams either.
Interesting history
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:14 pm to SquatchDawg
My point is that since 1995 UGA's and other schools' average SAT scores have climbed more than what can be accounted for in any changes to the test.
No comparison like this is ever apples to apples. You drop students from 1995 in today's college admissions environment, and I imagine they would score better.
Not at all. There are just more kids that do that now.
No comparison like this is ever apples to apples. You drop students from 1995 in today's college admissions environment, and I imagine they would score better.
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What - you think kids now are the first ones to try hard and compete to get good scores?
Not at all. There are just more kids that do that now.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:18 pm to SquatchDawg
I've never met someone with a 4.0 gpa that wasn't a neurotic, OCD, paranoid insecure basket-case.
And I've never met a truly successful person that was any of these things.
And I've never met a truly successful person that was any of these things.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:35 pm to Jefferson Dawg
My only point was that these tests and GPA scores get manipulated all the time so without some common reference Dallas shouldn't feel bad because the average SAT now is 1300+.
A 4.0 average incoming score seems odd too. Is this on the new 5.0 scale or a true 4.0 scale. If 4.0, so no new UGA freshman has ever made a B in high school? Weird.
A 4.0 average incoming score seems odd too. Is this on the new 5.0 scale or a true 4.0 scale. If 4.0, so no new UGA freshman has ever made a B in high school? Weird.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:46 pm to dallasga6
Yes we are as you can tell by my double posting.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:48 pm to SquatchDawg
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Dallas shouldn't feel bad because the average SAT now is 1300+.
Of course not.
I got into college in 2009 and would be hard-pressed to get into the same one now. I'm pumped about that. My degree appreciates every year without me doing shite.
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A 4.0 average incoming score seems odd too. Is this on the new 5.0 scale or a true 4.0 scale. If 4.0, so no new UGA freshman has ever made a B in high school? Weird.
At my school, a B in an AP class counted like an A-. An A would be an A++, basically. I assume that's how most would get above 4.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 12:49 pm to SquatchDawg
Honors (4.5) and AP (5.0) could offset any B's (3.0)made in regular classes
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:01 pm to DawgCountry
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At my school, a B in an AP class counted like an A-.
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Honors (4.5) and AP (5.0) could offset any B's
pussies
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:08 pm to dallasga6
Dang, I had the ACT score, but definitely didn't have a 4.0. That's crazy.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 1:18 pm to SquatchDawg
There was no 5.0 scale when I applied. AP got the same 0.5 bump as other accelerated courses.
It is not that students are generally smarter.
It is competition. The university can cherry pick the best of the best.
Local kids who excel no longer flock to ivy league or UVA/UNC. They compete against each other locally.
Also, there is a population boom in Georgia (7.3 million in 1995. Over 10.6 million in 2016)
Not only are there more kids in general... the average student is expected to go to college even more-so than before (just under 70% today versus 61% on 1995).
With growth and the presumption of college, every major university should have improved freshman scores. But with UGA being the most attractive in-state school, we are seeing this rise in competition the best.
It is not that students are generally smarter.
It is competition. The university can cherry pick the best of the best.
Local kids who excel no longer flock to ivy league or UVA/UNC. They compete against each other locally.
Also, there is a population boom in Georgia (7.3 million in 1995. Over 10.6 million in 2016)
Not only are there more kids in general... the average student is expected to go to college even more-so than before (just under 70% today versus 61% on 1995).
With growth and the presumption of college, every major university should have improved freshman scores. But with UGA being the most attractive in-state school, we are seeing this rise in competition the best.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:38 pm to SquatchDawg
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The tests are easier now so you'd still get in. Or are we supposed to belief the recent group of graduates that can't find Canada on a map are that much smarter than the rest of us?
AP classes and exams are the same across the country. SAT and ACT haven't gotten any "easier". This isn't teachers fudging grades here.
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With Hope money and student loans it makes no financial sense to actively limit enrollment or run students off by giving them C's.
Wish they would have had done that for me when I was in school.
This post was edited on 8/10/17 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:43 pm to meansonny
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It is competition. The university can cherry pick the best of the best.
I don't know why this is aspect is overlooked.
You also have to imagine that the resources available to students today would have an impact in their scores, at least in some capacity.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 2:48 pm to gatorhata9
Kids can still go to Gainseville State, make a 3.5 gpa for a year, score decently on the Compass exam, and transfer in. It's easier to go that route.
You basically demonstrate that you can be a 19 year old no longer living under your parents' roof and maintain a level of dedication to make good grades without direct adult supervision, thus UGA admissions determines you will be a successful college student.
These transfers track very well through UGA which is why UGA takes them with lower standards than the fresh-out-of-HS kids.
You basically demonstrate that you can be a 19 year old no longer living under your parents' roof and maintain a level of dedication to make good grades without direct adult supervision, thus UGA admissions determines you will be a successful college student.
These transfers track very well through UGA which is why UGA takes them with lower standards than the fresh-out-of-HS kids.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 4:12 pm to dallasga6
Of course, there has been incredible grade inflation throughout the education system since 1973. A lot of the students posting those numbers today would not post similar numbers in '73.
Posted on 8/10/17 at 4:13 pm to gatorhata9
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SAT and ACT haven't gotten any "easier".
That's just not true depending on the time frame you're considering. They changed the SAT in 1995 to bring the averages up - and as I noted the average SAT for Yale and Princeton back in the '90s was close to UGA's average for this year. The link above outlines this clearly.
They also changed the vocabulary and reading portions repeatedly to more "align" with the reading and language to be "expected" in college and the workplace today.
Which I assume to mean they added "dat","dem", "doze", "deez" and "lolz".
Posted on 8/10/17 at 4:23 pm to FaCubeItches
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grade inflation
Exactly.
Per the link below the average UGA SAT score in 1990 was 1110. Now, we're talking English and Math here...they don't (or shouldn't) change very much. Today the average is 1344. That's a 20% increase in the AVERAGE on standardized test scores.
I don't think you can attribute that to increased competition or improved study habits.
LINK
Posted on 8/10/17 at 6:18 pm to dallasga6
Glad I pussed out and went to Armstrong. I had the SAT score but my GPA was garbage.
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