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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:51 pm to
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So have we. The difference was quarterback.
We haven't had the right talent at the right places. Last season Fromm looked terrible in a lot of games yet looked really good when Cager was playing. Could it be that Fromm was really that bad or was it that our WRs weren't doing their jobs consistently in a run-heavy offense?

It's a team sport. Say it with me: "football is a team sport".
Posted by BranchDawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:51 pm to
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We haven't had the right talent at the right places.


Right. Namely, quarterback. We literally produce first round draft picks at every other position.
This post was edited on 10/31/20 at 2:52 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:52 pm to
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We have great players all over the field too dip shite. You act like we’re Ole Miss
When you're talking about how well QBs play, you have to look at all the positions around him. An elite QB with no WR help isn't going to look elite. That's my point.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:52 pm to
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Right. Namely, quarterback. We literally produce first round draft picks at every other position.
What about WR?
Posted by BranchDawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:53 pm to
We have plenty of talent across the field.

Except for quarterback. We are second to none in recruiting every year and always produce boatloads of NFL talent.

Except for quarterback.

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What about WR?


Ok. How do Mecole Hardman and George Pickens sound?
This post was edited on 10/31/20 at 2:54 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:56 pm to
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We have plenty of talent across the field.

Except for quarterback. We are second to none in recruiting every year and always produce boatloads of NFL talent.

Except for quarterback.
We had Justin Fields come to play for us and he quit because he didn't want to compete. We also snagged an excellent transfer in Newman and he quit.

We can have a discussion about why they quit, but we had a couple of QBs that could help us out after Fromm was gone and they didn't stick around. We've got some younger talent on the team and they just aren't ready for prime time. It's unfortunate but it's where we are this year.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:57 pm to
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Ok. How do Mecole Hardman and George Pickens sound?
Fromm played well in 2017. We didn't have either of those guys in 2018 and Pickens only started to really shine at the end of the season. When Cager wasn't on the field, we had a terrible passing game.

ETA: Hardman was here in 2018 and he got a lot of targets.
This post was edited on 10/31/20 at 2:58 pm
Posted by BranchDawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 2:57 pm to
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he quit because he didn't want to compete.


Or because he knew he wouldn’t be given a legitimate chance until he was a senior. Because “there’s no good reason” to give him a chance.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Or because he knew he wouldn’t be given a legitimate chance until he was a senior. Because “there’s no good reason” to give him a chance.
False. He had one off-season with UGA when we were coming off a close loss in the national championship game with Fromm. He couldn't take one year to develop and try to beat out Fromm in his second year?

Not given a legitimate chance... he played too many meaningful snaps in '18. I thought Fromm was playing worse because of it because he had his rhythm thrown off by being taken so often for no reason other than to make good on a promise to Fields' parents that he'd see the field.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:00 pm to
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Joe Burrow wouldn't have won anything with our WRs last season.



Wow. Just wow. I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this. I'm guessing you think Patrick Mahomes would suck if he was playing for the Jets too.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:02 pm to
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Last season Fromm looked terrible in a lot of games yet looked really good when Cager was playing.


No. In no game did Fromm look "really good" last year. His best game was 20/30 for 250ish yards and 2 TDs and the offense scored a whopping 24 points. That's a solid day.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:06 pm to
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What about WR?


Did ya see who we put out there last year? At best it was in the lower tier of the SEC.

BTW,good luck with depending in Freshman to win games at the position at least not before the last part of the season.

We were w/out our #1 and #2 WR's today and due to injuries,suspensions and the NFL draft we were down 7 wideouts last year.

Good luck putting together a coherent passing scheme under those circumstances. We've had some shite luck at the position the last 2 years
This post was edited on 10/31/20 at 3:55 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:08 pm to
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Wow. Just wow. I'm not entirely sure how to respond to this. I'm guessing you think Patrick Mahomes would suck if he was playing for the Jets too.
No. Burrow is a great QB, but he wouldn't have won a championship at UGA last year with the coaches and players we had around him. That's my point. It's not like LSU had a WR taken in the 1st round of the draft and another one projected for the first round of next year's draft. He had weapons all over the field and a great offensive scheme to make use of them all. We didn't have that at UGA.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:09 pm to
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No. In no game did Fromm look "really good" last year. His best game was 20/30 for 250ish yards and 2 TDs and the offense scored a whopping 24 points. That's a solid day.
Stats alone are deceiving. Cager was a reliable target and Fromm was on the money with him time and time again. Cager was made of glass and when he wasn't there, Fromm suffered, thus the bad stats. That's my point, though. He didn't have reliable targets to throw to and it made him look worse than he was just like having elite receivers can make a QB look better than he is.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:12 pm to
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No. Burrow is a great QB, but he wouldn't have won a championship at UGA last year with the coaches and players we had around him. That's my point. It's not like LSU had a WR taken in the 1st round of the draft and another one projected for the first round of next year's draft. He had weapons all over the field and a great offensive scheme to make use of them all. We didn't have that at UGA.


We had two offensive tackles taken in the first round of the draft. We had a RB taken at #35 overall. We had Pickens, who will be a first round pick in 2022. Trey Hill will be a first or second round pick in 2021. Solomon Kindley is starting for the Dolphins right now.

This whole shitty supporting cast narrative is stupid and disingenuous. Fromm sucked. There are no excuses.
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:19 pm to
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We had two offensive tackles taken in the first round of the draft. We had a RB taken at #35 overall...Trey Hill will be a first or second round pick in 2021. Solomon Kindley is starting for the Dolphins right now
The linemen were great for pass protection and for supporting our running game and our RB was great at running the ball but he wasn't a go-to receiver. Your complaints have been about our passing game, not our running game, and that requires receivers to consistently run their routes and catch the ball.

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We had Pickens, who will be a first round pick in 2022.
He was great at the end of the season but he was our only target when Cager was down. You can't have only one good receiver on your team because defenses will key in on him. Fromm was great at distributing the ball to various targets and it was a shame he didn't have a better supporting cast to help him out.

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This whole shitty supporting cast narrative is stupid and disingenuous. Fromm sucked. There are no excuses
I'm sorry you have such a shallow view of football. I'm surprised you haven't admitted that UGA is your favorite team because you like the team colors.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:19 pm to
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This whole shitty supporting cast narrative is stupid and disingenuous. Fromm sucked. There are no excuses.


Why was he so much better in '18?

Why did so many NFL's scouts think he'd go in the first 2 or 3 rounds before the season?
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:22 pm to
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Why was he so much better in '18?


Because he didn't have to carry the offense. We had explosive plays in the run game and guys who could take short passes and make them big gains.

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Why did so many NFL's scouts think he'd go in the first 2 or 3 rounds before the season?


His warts hadn't been exposed yet.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:31 pm to
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Because he didn't have to carry the offense. We had explosive plays in the run game and guys who could take short passes and make them big gains


Don't you the quality of the WR and TE groups had something to do
with it?

We did have talented OL last year but they continually had issues with run blocking and our WR/TE group was only above average when Cager was healthy.

Sorry, don't care how talented a freshman is,it's unbelievably difficult for em to make an immediate impact especially in the SEC. Julio and AJ are the only ones in recent history I can
think of.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46115 posts
Posted on 10/31/20 at 3:32 pm to
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Because he didn't have to carry the offense. We had explosive plays in the run game and guys who could take short passes and make them big gains.
So you admit that he didn't have the supporting cast to be as successful as we would have liked? Sounds like what I and others have been saying.

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His warts hadn't been exposed yet.
If by "warts" you mean his inability to be successful throwing the ball when there is no one to catch it, then you're right.
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