re: Eason will start vs Vandy?

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FooManChoo

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Let's stop acting Like Fromm is out here tearing it up . He isnt doing anything besides being a game manager. That is what the coaches ask of him. Georgia is ranked 119th in passing and 50th in passing tds . The defense is the biggest cog of this team. They are creating turnovers and short fields. We all of a sudden have a vastly improved punting game with Niziak. The offensive line for this years team is much better than last year's version , which had a guard playing tackle. The running game as stagnant last year due to poor run blocking. Chigbu, Stanley, Isiah all had bricks for hands. How many drops did Eason suffer from last year? Anyone want to find adjusted completion % which accounts for drops, throwaways, spiked balls? Eason was asked to win games last year . Fromm hasnt been ask to do that thus far. Please don't reference Notre Dame. Fromm had 2 key turnovers that game which Notre Dame converted into 10 points. The defense was asked to win that game when kirby took a conservative call on our last offensive possession on 3rd and short and opted to let the defense stop Them on the last drive. Georgia doesn't win that game if not for an amazing performance by the defense.Will Fromm need to win games this year? Probably vs Auburn and Alabama.Is he capable of winning games? possibly. Should Eason get a chance to show his wares after being named the starter? I think he should.If he fails, it's as easy as benching him.

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I agree with literally everything you said here, except the highlighted part.

Last year, defenses had 6+ guys in the box on almost every play. When you have five linemen trying to block 7 tacklers, the running game is going to be stagnant. Defenses were able to get away with this because Eason was a true freshmen, defenses didn't respect him, but they damn sure knew we had a running game. "Stop the run and make Eason beat us" was every defense's game plan. It didn't work out for 7 of the games that we still won, but it did work out for the 5 games we lost.

It isn't because our OL had poor run blocking.

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Possible, yes, but we've seen Fromm throw a TD pass (to Nauta) with pressure in his face. He's got a quicker delivery than Eason and it's been pointed out a millions times since the App St that Fromm had quicker reads and releases. Eason had a bad habit of always looking downfield for the big play. Fromm has been more of the quick strike QB, throwing short and letting our receivers get the YAC.

When I get some time, I'll see if I can verify that by getting an average time it takes Fromm to release the ball.

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Part of that is scheme. If Eason's primary receivers are farther down field than Fromm's primary receivers on the plays he was allowed to run in the App State game (likely only high percentage short to intermediate routes because it limits exposure) then of course the numbers will look different. I truly think what we're seeing in Fromm is at least in part an actual evolution of Jim Chaney as an OC. I think he saw what *didn't* work last year, and once cornered with another true freshman QB he has a better idea of how to handle it. With that said, Fromm has excelled doing it, so there's always that. Chicken/Egg... either way, Chaney will eat it.

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See above. Quick releases help neutralize QB pressure (and subsequent sacks) but Fromm's had his share of it, especially against UTk.

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Even when we went quick/short passing last year, defenses sat on those throws, jumped routes, and/or our brick handed receivers did what they often do...

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I ran some numbers quickly so it may be a little off but I think i got it. Here are the average 3rd and distances for each game where Fromm was not handing it off to a RB (includes throws, runs, and sacks):

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Don't have an easy way of grabbing the exacts from 2016, but was curious. Using cfbstats.com we can at least get a percentage of passing plays based on distance to go ranges:
134 3rd down passing plays in 2016 (does include Lambert's play, but don't have time or patience to try and figure out how many, lol)
11.9% of plays - 9/16 with 1-3 yards remaining (56.3% conversion)
27.6% of plays - 19/37 with 4-6 yards remaining (51.4% conversion)
29% of plays - 18/39 with 7-9 yards remaining (46.2% conversion)
31.3% of plays - 21/42 with 10+ yards remaining (50% conversion)

If I try to come up with a rough rubric for that based on percentages and using the middle value of each range (and 12 for the 10+) it comes out to ~7.7 yards to go conservatively... There may be a better number out there, but would bet that it's not less than that. And the completion rate then would be 50%...

So in the lone game where Fromm had an average yardage to go on third down of that number or higher, he completed slightly less.

He's good... what the team is doing around him is helping a ton though.

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There isn't enough data to compare Eason to Fromm for this season.

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This is what *I* have been saying since the beginning. I'm not sure what everyone else is attempting to point out, but that's really the only point I've made since the beginning. Just pump the brakes on the Fromm is incredible train... let the thing play out. He's playing well on a better team. If Eason gets significant time and doesn't look improved, guess who will be one of the first to acknowledge it. So far, he simply hasn't been given much of an opportunity to show us one way or the other.

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I'm game.

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1st pass - 2nd & 13 - all good intermediate routes are covered, Eason correctly reads the short out and delivers pass on target.
2nd pass - 3rd & 9 - off the mark. Correct read, just not on target. Other receiver open would have been short of first down.
3rd pass - 1st & 10 - attempt at a quick read pass to loosen up the box. Little high, also seemed to get there before Wims was expecting it. Looks like an off the mark throw

Fromm's first pass was not just incomplete, it should have been intercepted. It was also the incorrect read as there was a wide open receiver for a TD (Sony on the wheel route I think? can't see very well on this replay vid)

Second pass was maybe a 3-4 yard gain that Wims stretched for a few more to get back to LOS. Very similar to Eason's lone successful pass.

Third pass - well delivered for sure. We've yet to see Eason throw a ball down field deeper than about 8 yards this season, but this is a throw that Eason *has* made routinely.

Fourth pass - awful. another ball that could have and should have been picked off.

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The issue isn't just with the numbers but how the numbers came to be or rather, how good the QBs looked in achieving those numbers. Fromm gets the nod in that comparison.

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So while Fromm delivers 2 balls on the money, he squeaks by with 2 *very* bad throws. None of Eason's balls had a chance of resulting in a turnover. If we're giving credit for the well delivered ball that was dropped, we've got to take points away for giving the opponent a chance to flip possession. In no scenario does that decision making (Kirby's criteria for evaluation more so than results) "look better".

It's a fun game, but limited sample sizes are exactly that. Not terribly meaningful.

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That said, I keep going back to what Eason has done with his chances (though small) compared to what Fromm has done with his. Fromm has done more with his chances than Eason has.

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Until a reasonable sample size has been generated, it's really not a comparison that is worth making. Fromm has thrown the ball 2000% more than Eason this season. Let's at least look at something that's not orders of magnitude different before we try to claim that Fromm has "seized his opportunity".

Fortunately, in the next couple of games, assuming Kirby *wants* to find out, we'll likely have the opportunity to do so.

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You can pretty much guarantee that Fromm will atleast start the first series against Vandy. Willing to throw my next paycheck on it.

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I'll take that bet. I don't mind throwing down $200.

So then you are just pulling things out of your arse then. Got it

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We didn't beat Florida

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Fair, in looking up S&P+ I was simply noting teams with better defenses than Notre Dame, rather than specifically teams we beat. By the end of the season we'll have a better idea, but TCU's defense in 2016 likely rates more highly than Notre Dame's defense in 2017 by the end of the season FWIW.

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we need to keep in mind that our defense outscored our offense vs auburn.

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So are we giving credit to our defense for the turnovers generated in the Notre Dame game that led to points and ultimately the win as well? You've said you're not claiming that Fromm "won" that game, but it sure seems like you're attempting to do that here... Fromm gets credit for the win, Eason doesn't get credit for the win in games where the defense (and run game against ND) essentially decided the outcome.

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Fromm's first pass was not just incomplete, it should have been intercepted.

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Because the target was on the ground?

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we need to keep in mind that our defense outscored our offense vs auburn.

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We also outgained them by 200 yards and dominated their O line
And Godwin threw that idiotic pass for a pic in the end zone.
Also had blatant PI that wasn't called down by the AU goal line.

AU game was way closer than it should have been

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Because the target was on the ground?

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Did he make the correct read? No... he threw a lower percentage ball off the mark... how is this any better than the ball that Eason threw in the UTk game? The hypocrisy in this thread is tangible...

Again... if you are a Fromm fan and incapable of looking at it without a bias, just admit it to yourself. Otherwise, any comparison that is being attempted in this thread or any others on this board is simply based on too small of a sample size right now. If you read *all* of my fricking comments, you'll see that I actually *believe* that Fromm should continue to start... but to shite on Eason because you have some fangirl crush on the young stud from the state of GA is ridiculous. Fromm has been a *serviceable* QB who hasn't been asked to do much this season. Hopefully, we *continue* to not ask much of our QB this season and we cruise on with exceptional Defense, Special Teams, and our stable of fricking clydesdales in the backfield. If not, I for one would at least like to know who gives us the best option when we have to increase the percentage of passing plays. If it's Fromm, so be it. If it's not... guess what, that's ok too.