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re: Don't expect Falcons to do much if they make the playoffs, but...

Posted on 12/24/17 at 4:36 pm to
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15666 posts
Posted on 12/24/17 at 4:36 pm to
Our OC is a fricking drunkard. Does anyone possibly think we have a snowballs chance in hell at winning titles with the idiot that was supposedly banging coeds and caught on live video drunk as a fricking skunk. How the hell he gets an NFL OC job from the leagues best offense the year before is beyond me.

Atlanta sports ina nutshell. Lose the Super Bowl in perfect fail fashion and hire a drunkard idiot to replace him. Only the braves can top that level of stupidity.
Posted by FinleyStreet
Member since Aug 2011
7903 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 8:46 am to
I'll pull for the Falcons, but it's pretty hard to take them seriously, especially after that historical choke job.
Posted by P-Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
1872 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:45 am to
quote:

There were easily 8 bad calls against us, and 3 or 4 of them were beyond egregious. I mean plain as fricking day shite that my wife was even asking WTF about,and she never does that. Game costing shite. 




I didn't see anyone complaining about the horrendous officiating a couple of Thursdays ago.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:00 pm to
It's cool, they don't want or need you as a fan.


The only thing that really is pissing me off is the lack of PIs call committed against Julio. He gets mauled almost every pass and never gets the call. It's bullshite. In every other sport the super stars get special treatment and JJ11 can't even get one call when he is pulled to the ground.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 3:08 pm to
I think he needs another year. For one, he isn't even running his own offense. He came in and tried learning our offense and our players and has figure out how to best call plays. Secondly, it takes time for the team and the coaches to get on the same page. Everyone wanted Shannan fired after one game in 2016. By the end of the season he was the savior. It's too early to fire an OC when we have been in every single game with a chance to win. If our receivers would catch the damn ball we would have at least 3 more wins(carolina, Miami, Buffalo). Calling him a drunkard is ignorant and childish. It is hardly his fault we are losing these games. We need to execute.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15666 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:34 pm to
quote:

Calling him a drunkard is ignorant and childish.


I guess people hate reality.

I'm not talking about 1 incident of him being a drunk fool. He got fired for being a drunken fool. He not only drank...but did so on the job....many times. Keep in mind he has never held the job of OC in the NFL. Worst possible fricking hire imaginable. The number 1 offense in the league is sitting a cool 16th this season. If you want me to explain that to you in numbers we went from scoring

33ppg
to a cool
22ppg

Nah, the OC isn't the problem.

Do you like facts?

Probably just a simple mistake

Alcoholic

Stats

Hate to break it to you but the offense has been shite this year.

This guy has literally failed upwards his entire career. He gets great job after great job after being fired. Makes no damn sense. Gets one of the best OC jobs in the league and can't even keep the number 1 offense in the league in the Top 10.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 6:37 pm
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:36 pm to
What the frick does him having an alcohol addiction have to do with the players dropping passes, Matt Ryan throwing interceptions and Devonte Freeman fumbling the ball at the 1 yard line two weeks in in a row?

I know he is a recovering alcoholic but to blame the falcons performance on his addiction is fricking retarded. That was my point. Dumb arse.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15666 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:40 pm to
quote:

I know he is a recovering alcoholic but to blame the falcons performance on his addiction is fricking retarded. That was my point. Dumb arse.



33ppg

to

22ppg


Number 1 offense in the league takes an 11 point drop off with very few changes on offense. He never earned the job and never should have been hired for it.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 6:48 pm to
We have 2 times the dropped passes as we had last year. Our turnover ratio is -5 versus +16 last year. Matt Ryan has completed 5% fewer passes and has 5 more interceptions.

The problem isn't solely play calling. It's players executing when called upon. Sark isn't out there dropping wide open TD passes which cost us a win in Carolina or Hooper dropping a pass into the defenders hands and costing us a win against Buffalo (IIRC).

If you are blaming our malaise on the OC you aren't actually watching the games. The players have to execute the plays.
This post was edited on 12/25/17 at 6:55 pm
Posted by retooc
Freeport, FL
Member since Sep 2012
7453 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 9:56 pm to
Barstool speaks the truth.

Matt has been less efficient. Drops also hurting.

Settling for FGs instead of touchdowns

Less turnovers on D

That pretty much sums it up for me.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15666 posts
Posted on 12/25/17 at 10:13 pm to
All the complains are a direct result of coaching. It's essentially what you get when your hire a college coach with no experience calling plays on the professional level.

Ball security - coaching
Constant drops - coaching
Lack of Julio - coaching
Poor red zone scoring - coaching

Dan Quinn started off well but hiring Sark is unforgivable.
Posted by retooc
Freeport, FL
Member since Sep 2012
7453 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 7:43 am to
There has been a drop off, but I don't think its the sole reason. Players deserve blame.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 9:11 am to
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All the complains are a direct result of coaching


It's also execution.

Have you ever considered that it's unrealistic and idiotic to expect to have a top 10 offense in league history for two years in a row? It's called regression to the mean and it happens to any NFL team who has an offense that good. That shite is nearly impossible to duplicate.

Turnovers
Red zone offense
New coordinator (keep in mind that the offense sucked in 2015, Shanahan's first year)
Lack of deep balls
Drops

Those are your five reasons the offense hasn't been as good this year. Three of them are because of a lack of execution.

Also, as for your claims of Sark being a drunk, yes he's had issues in the past. He also went to rehab and has cleaned himself up. Unless you can provide a link to him drinking THIS YEAR, you're just being a petulant douchebag with those statements.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 9:41 am to
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I didn't see anyone complaining about the horrendous officiating a couple of Thursdays ago.


You're welcome to re-watch that game here: LINK

And tell us which calls were bad and about any no-calls missed.

Good luck finding them.

Fact is, the penalties in that game were legit. NO had a ton of them, and all blatant real worthy penalties.

This game Sunday, though, shite was just stupid obvious that the league office told the officials to lay off NO because they didn't want it so lopsided again. And in doing so, they didn't call legit penalties that they should have, and it drastically effected the outcome of the game.
This post was edited on 12/26/17 at 9:42 am
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 9:59 am to
Sarks play calling has been shite virtually all season.

Freeman can pulverize DB's in open space, but he's not a goal line buster you bulldoze through 300 lb DL's and a stacked box. Stupid STUPID play calls.

This is 2015 all over again. It happened with Shannahan and it's happening with Sark. The dude just can't consistently get the call right and is wrong more than not.

On top of this, our receivers are dropping way too many passes, 8 of which have ended up in defender's hands for interceptions.

Think about that. Matt has 12 interceptions, and 8 of them have bounced off our receiver's hands.

I mean you know when Chris "The Falcon-hating Douche" Collinsworth is mentioning it and calling it a problem on MNF, that it's an actual problem.

Our 3 biggest issues why we don't have the offense we did last year:

1. Sark's shite play calling
2. Turnovers off receiver's hands
3. bullshite penalties killing drives and resulting in punts
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 10:16 am to
Julio will never be as good as AJ Green for two reasons. He drops too many balls and is always injured. It's too bad AJ plays for the Bengals.
This post was edited on 12/26/17 at 10:20 am
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
45060 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 10:22 am to
quote:

Julio will never be as good as AJ Green for two reasons


Julio has been a far better NFL player than Green. Green is frequently injured in the NFL as well. Julio is the only player in history with 3 games of 250+ receiving yards and has had 180+ yards and 2 TDs in both NFCCGs he's played in.
Posted by HTDawg
Member since Sep 2016
6683 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 11:49 am to
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Julio has been a far better NFL player than Green. Green is frequently injured in the NFL as well. Julio is the only player in history with 3 games of 250+ receiving yards and has had 180+ yards and 2 TDs in both NFCCGs he's played in.


So Julio is a "far better" player than Green. You are clueless. Julio Jones plays for a vastly superior team with a vastly superior QB and a far better running game, with far better receivers to take some of the double and triple teams away from. Green is not frequently injured at all. I have no idea where you got that from. Julio is hobbled damn near every year with some injury. Green had one injury, an injury that he could have played with. Green has vastly better hands, better body control, and a better deep threat. Green also has more TDs, again, playing on a worse team with a worse QB. Julio drops too many passes. Green would put up even better numbers with the Falcons.

As for your stats, they have to be the most arbitrary, cherry-picked stats ever.

AJ was also better in college playing on a worse team.
This post was edited on 12/26/17 at 11:56 am
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
9442 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 11:59 am to
I like Julio and glad he is on my team but he isn't a better NFL receiver than AJ. He's just not. Having 3 great games doesn't excuse his disappearing act in many games and his drops.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 12/26/17 at 1:23 pm to
Yeah, but it makes for a great icebreaker - if you ever see a woman in Falcons stuff, you can just walk right up and say "Hi, my name is 25-point lead. You have to blow me."
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