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Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:33 pm to meansonny
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:33 pm to meansonny
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Knowing when "the last moment" is sounds pretty difficult.
It's not. When a receiver starts raising his hands, that tells you the ball is coming. You have to quickly whip your head around and find the ball, but you start looking in the vicinity of the receivers hands.
It goes against your instincts, but that is how it is done....or should be done. With practice it can become second nature. Where the problem can come in is the receivers are being taught not to raise their hands until the last second, so the DBs don't have time to turn and locate the ball. Most receivers can't though. They just want to get their hands up and in position to catch the ball as quickly as they can.
Pickens is one of the best I've seen about getting his hands in position at the last second.
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Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:54 pm to DawgsLife
We can shake hands that the definition of "difficult" may be different for you and i.
It is easier to run full speed and get a hand to defend the receivers hands than it is to run full speed and swing your head around without breaking stride and still stick your hand in front of the receivers hands.
I know the old adage... the hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball.
Did you ever watch pro's versus Joe's?
The hardest thing was always playing DB. When a full grown athlete knows where to run and when to catch (and you dont)... that is the most difficult thing to do in sports.
It is easier to run full speed and get a hand to defend the receivers hands than it is to run full speed and swing your head around without breaking stride and still stick your hand in front of the receivers hands.
I know the old adage... the hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball.
Did you ever watch pro's versus Joe's?
The hardest thing was always playing DB. When a full grown athlete knows where to run and when to catch (and you dont)... that is the most difficult thing to do in sports.
This post was edited on 9/17/19 at 3:56 pm
Posted on 9/17/19 at 3:56 pm to jodeaux
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I think Landers got his shot but it's Pickens spot now.
Landers could've gotten on Sportcenter if he'd laid out like Pickens for his long bomb. It looks like I might've totally missed the mark by thinking Landers was going to be the impact player on the WR corps.
Posted on 9/17/19 at 8:36 pm to VoxDawg
quote:The fact that he didn't see the field last season should have been a good indicator.
thinking Landers was going to be the impact player on the WR corps
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:51 am to VoxDawg
Landers can’t catch, unfortunately. At a certain point, that coordination and comfort with the ball in the air has to come naturally.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 6:52 am to DawgsLife
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When a receiver starts raising his hands, that tells you the ball is coming. You have to quickly whip your head around and find the ball, but you start looking in the vicinity of the receivers hands.
Idk man. That sounds very difficult.
Posted on 9/18/19 at 5:21 pm to DawgsLife
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It's not. When a receiver starts raising his hands, that tells you the ball is coming. You have to quickly whip your head around and find the ball, but you start looking in the vicinity of the receivers hands.
I just caught a highlight reel of Book on Dawgnation. Lots of touch and placement on his passes.
The best way to defend this type of QB is to find the ball and steal it. There were lots of adjustments by the receivers to grab the ball. Dont give him too many chances. He is very efficient with the ball.
Playing with the head to the receiver, the DB won't be able to adjust to the receivers adjustments on the ball. It is too much late movement. However, these passes arent rockets. There is plenty of time for a DB to position and pick these passes if in zone or with the eyes on the QB.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:34 am to meansonny
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We can shake hands that the definition of "difficult" may be different for you and i.
Sure. And maybe I am wrong? I played safety and WR in HS and was WR at other levels. but...when trained properly, it isn' that difficult. It DOES go against instincts and takes training, though.
quote:I was not taught to swing my head around, so much as turn my entire body once the receivers hands come up for the ball. Think about it, though...isn't it the same thing a receiver does? He is running full speed and turns his head toward the QB to see the ball. Granted, the receiver through practice and timing knows approximately when the ball should be arriving....but so many things throws off the timing of a ball.
It is easier to run full speed and get a hand to defend the receivers hands than it is to run full speed and swing your head around without breaking stride and still stick your hand in front of the receivers hands.
Ideally, the ball should be thrown before the receiver turns his head, and arrive shortly before the receiver turns his head making the receiver pick the ball up immediately.
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Did you ever watch pro's versus Joe's?
No.
quote:Eh. The ball rarely comes when you expect and at the same angle. It is different every single time.
The hardest thing was always playing DB. When a full grown athlete knows where to run and when to catch (and you dont)... that is the most difficult thing to do in sports.
But, as you said...we can agree to disagree here.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:40 am to Crowknowsbest
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Idk man. That sounds very difficult.
When you've done it a few thousand times it becomes a bit more natural.
Well, it's not easy. But to me it was always harder to run while being pushed and tugged at, then turning your head while continuing to run, locate the ball, then fight through hands and a DBs body to get to a pass and then actually make the catch. I mean, you know where the ball is supposed to be, but the pass rarely is. A QB makes a poor throw, or it is affected by the pass rush that affects the angle or timing of the pass...or maybe the QB decides to make it a back shoulder throw, or lead the receiver toward the middle or outside of the field....all while running as fast as possible while maintaining balance and adjusting your hands.
It's not as easy as it looks....at least not for me.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:46 am to meansonny
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Playing with the head to the receiver, the DB won't be able to adjust to the receivers adjustments on the ball. It is too much late movement. However, these passes arent rockets. There is plenty of time for a DB to position and pick these passes if in zone or with the eyes on the QB.
Which is why you keep your eyes on the receiver and his hands. The hands have to go to the ball. If you are in position to block the hands he can't catch the ball short of a one handed catch or a perfectly placed ball.
Hey. I'm not saying it is easy. If it was everybody would be doing it.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:00 am to VoxDawg
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Landers could've gotten on Sportcenter if he'd laid out like Pickens for his long bomb. It looks like I might've totally missed the mark by thinking Landers was going to be the impact player on the WR corps.
Yeah I watched that "miss" several times and it looked like he didn't even attempt to catch the ball. The first time I saw it I thought, "Dang. Who is that and what is he doing on the field.....any field?" Absolutely no effort what so ever.
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