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re: Anyone else think we'll run the table in classic CMR fashion???
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:26 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:26 am to DawgsLife
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Our fans melt over losses that we fully expect to lose.....and after every single one of those they come out of the woodwork calling for the coaches head.
For the 10,000th time, it's not the fact that UGA loses, it's how they lose that pisses people off. Georgia had zero business getting run out of Jacksonville by 24 points or getting run out of Sanford by 28.
Of course other teams don't play well at times and lose games they shouldn't. It's sports, that happens. It seems to happen to Georgia a lot more often than it does to other teams. Whether that's true or it's because we pay more attention to Georgia than we do to other teams is up for debate.
When Alabama doesn't play well, they lose to Ole Miss by 6. When Florida doesn't play well, they beat Vanderbilt by 2. When Georgia doesn't play well, they lose by 20+. That's coaching, whether you like to admit it or not.
When Alabama lost to Ole Miss, they came out pissed off and blew people out. When Florida lost to LSU, they came out pissed off and crushed Georgia.
When Georgia was humiliated by Alabama, they didn't come out with any sort of attitude against Tennessee and lost. After that abortion, they sleepwalked through a snoozer against Missouri and were obliterated by a Florida team that they're about dead even with in talent.
You see the difference yet?
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 9:30 am
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Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:47 am to Peter Buck
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Ya... Two dropped TDs and gifting a TD and the the 9 route slip... A lot went wrong. They are equal on defense and better on offense though.
We have seen UF have some bad o performances this year vs uk, mizzou, and vandy.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 9:50 am to DawgsLife
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Our fans melt over losses that we fully expect to lose
Pretty rare for us to enter a game expecting to lose.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:06 am to dhuck20
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Richt deserves another year, without Schottenheimer
If he deserves another, it's With pruitt and schott
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:45 am to djsdawg
quote:It is, you are correct. but when you go into a game against a team that has arguabley one of the top 2 head coaches in the country, 5 straight #1 recruiting classes, better facilities, more support staf, etc.....chances are you are going to get beat. We can say we are out recruited, outspent etc about Alabama, Florida, LSU and quite often Auburn.
Pretty rare for us to enter a game expecting to lose.
That said, no TEAM should go into a game expecting to lose....and just because you come against teams as I described there is always a chance you beat them anyway. Ole Miss beat Alabama, we beat LSU last year (Man, that seems like a lifetime ago)
I also understand what you said up above....it's not necessarily that we lose, but that we sometimes get thoroughly dominated. And, I agree with you. I am slowly beginning to think it is time to move on, too. I guess my biggest complaint is the way so many on here overreact calling the program a dumpster fire, and mediocre etc. We are anything but those two things. (That is not aimed at you...I honestly don't remember who was calling us mediocre and a dumpster fire)
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:47 am to djsdawg
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Anyone else think we'll run the table in classic CMR fashion??? by djsdawgquote:Richt deserves another year, without Schottenheimer If he deserves another, it's With pruitt and schott
I agree with you on this. If Richt hired Schottenheimer, he should live or die with him. You don't fire a guy after one year.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:53 am to Damn Good Dawg
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I gotta give you credit, man. You have enough passion and desire to push the Mark Richt is awesome narrative that you completely manipulate reality.
Didn'tr he quote health issues and wanting to spend more time with his family? Then he took one (maybe two) years off? It obviously wan't for health issues or wanting to spend more time with hsi family. I believe it was because he saw Saban building a force at Alabama, and he saw trouble from behaviour problems from players he recruited. He simply could not take the pressure from administration and fans. That's my opinion.
Why do you think he left Florida?
Posted on 11/12/15 at 10:56 am to DawgsLife
I called the team mediocre under CMR. When his first 5 years were exceptional, and only two of the past ten have been remotely worth discussing with respect to competing for the SECC, then by my math, that's 7/15. The rest were completely forgettable. It's almost like his results have been right in the middle of the pack. There's a word for it, but it's escaping me....
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:02 am to Leghumper
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no coach would take a job where a school fired a successful coach like CMR.
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they would line up like welfare recipients for this job..
Maybe. But they didn't last time when we hired Richt. Not any established coaches, anyway.
HOWEVER....I can see the Memphis coach and maybe the Houston coach possibly making the move. It would be an improvement in program. Would Georgia go after them? We won't know until Richt is gone.
IF we were to hire one of thsoe coaches, though, I think Pruitt would DEFINITELY walk, though. Not because Richt was gone, but because he was not given the HC job. Those are only my opinions, though, and not based on anything.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:08 am to VoxDawg
quote]Anyone else think we'll run the table in classic CMR fashion??? by VoxDawgI called the team mediocre under CMR. When his first 5 years were exceptional, and only two of the past ten have been remotely worth discussing with respect to competing for the SECC, then by my math, that's 7/15. The rest were completely forgettable. It's almost like his results have been right in the middle of the pack. There's a word for it, but it's escaping me....[/quote]
So we are going to elimiante years to show that Richt has been "mediocre"? Hmmmm....can we eliminate all but Saban's first couple of years so we can call him mediocre? It doesn't make sense.
I think where we are disagreeing is your yardstick is for SEC Championships. that I can understand....but you can't call someone mediocre based on one criteria. Fact is his body of work says he is one of the best coaches in the country. (Top 10%, maybe out something like 130 teams?)
I get that that is your opinion, and that is ok. I won't resort to calling you names and ridiculing you based on your opinion, like some of the others in this thread.
So we are going to elimiante years to show that Richt has been "mediocre"? Hmmmm....can we eliminate all but Saban's first couple of years so we can call him mediocre? It doesn't make sense.
I think where we are disagreeing is your yardstick is for SEC Championships. that I can understand....but you can't call someone mediocre based on one criteria. Fact is his body of work says he is one of the best coaches in the country. (Top 10%, maybe out something like 130 teams?)
I get that that is your opinion, and that is ok. I won't resort to calling you names and ridiculing you based on your opinion, like some of the others in this thread.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:14 am to VADawg
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For the 10,000th time, it's not the fact that UGA loses, it's how they lose that pisses people off. Georgia had zero business getting run out of Jacksonville by 24 points or getting run out of Sanford by 28.
Yes, I know...I've said that in this thread.
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Of course other teams don't play well at times and lose games they shouldn't. It's sports, that happens. It seems to happen to Georgia a lot more often than it does to other teams. Whether that's true or it's because we pay more attention to Georgia than we do to other teams is up for debate.
No. I think it is a legitimate point. I truly DO believe it happens to us more often....and I think if someone looked at all teams and did a lot of research history would bare out what you are saying.
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When Georgia doesn't play well, they lose by 20+. That's coaching, whether you like to admit it or not.
I'm not sure if I agree...but you COULD be right. When you look at a tipped pass for INT. instead of a TD....fumbled punts at the 5 yard line...dropped passes as a WR croses goal lines...fumbles at the 1 yard line going in....those are all player errors, not coaches.
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When Georgia was humiliated by Alabama, they didn't come out with any sort of attitude against Tennessee and lost.
Really? We jumped out to a 21 point lead. We just didn't keep that edge/attitude.
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You see the difference yet?
As I said...you are making legitimate points.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 11:19 am to DawgsLife
It's not just the lack of SEC Championships. He's 5 of 15 for at least being in the Dome. He's only 2 of 5 for winning them. 2 of 15 if you want to go full NegaDawg and say that only hardware counts.
Where some laud CMR for being "consistent", his detractors will point to a lack of excellence. "Good is the enemy of Great." I'll quote myself from earlier in the post:
Where some laud CMR for being "consistent", his detractors will point to a lack of excellence. "Good is the enemy of Great." I'll quote myself from earlier in the post:
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The mediocrity argument lives and dies with the very definition - Since CMR's last SEC title, Florida and Tennessee were up (2006-09), and UGA finished in the middle of the pack. 2010 saw the rise of SCar in the East, and Georgia had a losing SEC record.
Obviously 2011 and 2012 were better, but even in both of those years, the Dawgs had inexplicable Richtian losses - Clobbered right out of the gate by Boise State, boatraced by SCar, threw away a dominant first half of SECCG to LSU, blew a lead to Mich State in Outback Bowl and lost in 3OT; run the frick out of WBS in Columbia, and let Bama gash the DL for ~350 yards in SECCG.
Those were the GOOD years. For '13 & '14, Tennessee and Florida regressed, Mizzou emerges as the snoozer East champ for two consecutive years, SCar hangs around in the division races, and where is Georgia? Oh yeah, right in the middle of the pack.
Mediocre.
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Even if critics concede the South Carolina win from 2013, that still means that it's been over 2 years since the team actually stepped up and accomplished something on the field. Auburn would have been the biggest comeback in school history (if the announcers were correct), but it wasn't to be. The LSU game in '13 was a practical dead heat between the teams, so I don't necessarily qualify that as a win against somebody they shouldn't have beaten.
The football team is run by a backup who never had to make the game his ultimate focus. That colors his entire development as a player as well as his career. The team has absolutely taken on the attitude of its coach. Some folks are okay with that. I'm not.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 2:06 pm to dallasga6
I think we win out and the bowl game depends on the opponents defense. This is what a. 10 win season with our schedule looks like...and it ain't too impressive..
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:01 pm to DawgsLife
quote:If that's the case, can them all. Richt is not worth keeping if we have another year of Schottenheimer. I seriously don't think Schott is our OC next year though.
I agree with you on this. If Richt hired Schottenheimer, he should live or die with him. You don't fire a guy after one year.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:06 pm to dhuck20
Richt knows the O this year isn't completely the fault of our OC, so the only way CBS is gone is if Richt is fired, and the only way he is fired is if we lose to AU and tech.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:10 pm to germandawg
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I think we win out and the bowl game depends on the opponents defense. This is what a. 10 win season with our schedule looks like...and it ain't too impressive..
People keep wanting to point to our schedule...I get it to a degree....but...Ohio State has a soft schedule and pads their win totals on weak opponents. So does Alabama, LSU, Notre dame....shoot...ALL the teams do. At least Georgia, in many recent years, scheduled two Power 5 teams in OOC games. Clemson, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Arizona State, etc.
Now, one or two of those may not be National powers, but they are certainly better than Florida A&M, and some of the weak teams most other teams play. Every team plays weak OOC opponents, and of the power house teams I can't think of any that is playing a really tough schedule. ALL the teams pad win totals with weak teams.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:13 pm to djsdawg
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Richt knows the O this year isn't completely the fault of our OC, so the only way CBS is gone is if Richt is fired, and the only way he is fired is if we lose to AU and tech.
I agree. Although, there is a groundswell of people calling for Richt to be fired. Just guessing...it wouldn't surprise me to see him resign. But, like I said in an earlier post...Richt hired Schottenheimer. he should live or die with him as the OC.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 3:59 pm to DawgsLife
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Why do you think he left Florida?
You already said it
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because he saw Saban building a force at Alabama
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he saw trouble from behaviour problems from players he recruited.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 4:59 pm to DawgsLife
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Ohio State has a soft schedule and pads their win totals on weak opponents.
The difference is when the strong opponents roll around on their schedule, especially last year, Ohio State took care of business. They rolled MSU in East Lansing, obliterated Wisconsin and Oregon, and really dominated a lot of the Alabama game, going on a 36-7 scoring run at one point.
I want to see a Georgia team that comes out breathing fire for four quarters against the elite teams on the schedule. Win or lose, I want to see the team play up to its talent level and at least not get humiliated.
Also, taking care of business against bad teams like Tennessee would be nice.
Posted on 11/12/15 at 5:39 pm to VADawg
Uh, they lost to VT last year chief.
This post was edited on 11/12/15 at 5:40 pm
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