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re: Alarming Defensive Stats and Trends
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:02 am to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:02 am to Spaceman Spiff
Flesh out your feelings more. What are you asking, why did I say that?
Check out Brooks Austin's YouTube page. He has a video from the Bama game that shows Gunner chooses not to throw or doesn't see a lot open WR against zone.
My thoughts are that is a result of getting it beat into your head, don't turn the ball over above all else. Another possibility is that Gunner just doesn't see the field well, which is a separate issue and probably should have been identified in house.
Since you lead me here I want to plant my flag in the camp of Gunner should be benched in favor of Pugs if we lose against Auburn. Play the rest of the year for 2026.
Check out Brooks Austin's YouTube page. He has a video from the Bama game that shows Gunner chooses not to throw or doesn't see a lot open WR against zone.
My thoughts are that is a result of getting it beat into your head, don't turn the ball over above all else. Another possibility is that Gunner just doesn't see the field well, which is a separate issue and probably should have been identified in house.
Since you lead me here I want to plant my flag in the camp of Gunner should be benched in favor of Pugs if we lose against Auburn. Play the rest of the year for 2026.
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Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:10 am to BillysIsland
I think the issue is simple. Kirbys defense only works with a few game wreckers in the middle.
We don't have that right now. One could emerge, but we don't have that
We can't get pressure with 4
Our blitzes are generally easy to spot and pick up.
This leaves our young and potentially bad secondary exposed.
The portal and nil have not allowed Kirby to stockpile talent in Athens as he learned to do at Alabama.
Something's gotta give. Scheme...talent...coaching.
We don't have that right now. One could emerge, but we don't have that
We can't get pressure with 4
Our blitzes are generally easy to spot and pick up.
This leaves our young and potentially bad secondary exposed.
The portal and nil have not allowed Kirby to stockpile talent in Athens as he learned to do at Alabama.
Something's gotta give. Scheme...talent...coaching.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:13 am to BillysIsland
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#1 in composite talent ranking
means zilch.
For starters, obviousy...that is looking at the total roster 1-100. it has nothing to do with our speicfic defensive starters. Going further it doesn' take into acount actual real life situations like who is actually playing. Our "composite talent ranking" is going to get a boost for guys like Ryan Montgomery or Elyiss Williams being on it, but none of those guys are sniffing any real PT this year.
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The talent is there.
This is the least talented defensive we've had in years, potentially ever in the kirby tenure post-2016. It all starts with the trenches and our DL now is pathetic.
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Development time...maybe. but CJ Allen has been here 3 years.
yes that's 1 example of a guy that's stuck around for a while. I'm talking about guys that could've bene big players for us but left instead. Damon Wilson, Marvin Jones, Xavian Sorey, JDJ, bear alexander, etc...all of thsoe are guys that would or could have helped us out recnetly.
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Staff may be the key one.
Yes for sure.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:25 am to WG_Dawg
talent rankings mean zilch? Interesting.
Look at the talent at DL on the roster. Spoiler, they aren't 3*s
CJ is one of many. I named others. Keep going down the roster. Or even last year. Starks played better as a freshman than a junior.
Everette has been playing for 4 years now. He's okay. Ellis Robinson was the number one player in the country and looks terrible. That's coaching.
Look at the talent at DL on the roster. Spoiler, they aren't 3*s
CJ is one of many. I named others. Keep going down the roster. Or even last year. Starks played better as a freshman than a junior.
Everette has been playing for 4 years now. He's okay. Ellis Robinson was the number one player in the country and looks terrible. That's coaching.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:26 am to WG_Dawg
I think the talent is better than 99% of college teams, even if it’s worse than our 2021 and 2022 squads. If the talent level needs to be that high to field a top 5-10 defense, we need to be re-evaluating what we’re doing defensively. Our defense, including the DL, is full of guys every other program would want to start for their team any day.
The obvious elephant in the room is that Lanning, Muchamp, and Fran Brown haven’t been replaced adequately, and we don’t have anyone notable from outside the Kirby/Saban tree to push alternative concepts to the table.
The obvious elephant in the room is that Lanning, Muchamp, and Fran Brown haven’t been replaced adequately, and we don’t have anyone notable from outside the Kirby/Saban tree to push alternative concepts to the table.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:31 am to Crowknowsbest
I think we have reached the tipping point where scheme and adjustments matter, need more cerebral coaches, can't just out talent everyone anymore.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:32 am to BillysIsland
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talent rankings mean zilch? Interesting.
in general like overall? They have some meaning.
Using a "composite talent ranking" when judding our defensive starters? Not as much meaning.
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Look at the talent at DL on the roster. Spoiler, they aren't 3*s
they also aren't nearly as good as the last however many years of guys we've had at the same positions.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:44 am to lewis and herschel
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I think we have reached the tipping point where scheme and adjustments matter, need more cerebral coaches, can't just out talent everyone anymore.
I wouldn’t say our coaches aren’t cerebral, and in general they do well adjusting in game.
Our primary issue is getting absolutely pantsed in Q1, which I think points to issues with opponents easily identifying our defensive tendencies and issues self-scouting those tendencies on our side.
ETA: my marginally educated view is that the only way opponents’ scripted early drives could be so overwhelmingly successful across multiple seasons is that UGA has obvious tendencies that are easily scripted to defeat. As the game goes on and UGA adjusts (tendencies go out the window), the opponent has more trouble, but by that point they’ve run up a couple hundred yards and 14-21 points.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 10:54 am
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:47 am to lewis and herschel
You’re *
Posted on 10/1/25 at 10:59 am to Spaceman Spiff
Alll that said, feel better about almost every aspect of this team than last year.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:41 am to BillysIsland
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Since you lead me here I want to plant my flag in the camp of Gunner should be benched in favor of Pugs if we lose against Auburn
He has thrown 39% of his passes at or behind the line of scrimmage (sixth most), and he is averaging just 5.9 air yards per attempt (seventh lowest).
Read this off of espn this morning, they have him ranked 20th in all of P4 QBs in 2025 so far this season. 7 other SEC QBs ahead of him.
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 11:44 am
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:43 am to WG_Dawg
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they also aren't nearly as good as the last however many years of guys we've had at the same positions.
I don't buy that these guys are less talented than who we had in 2017, 2018, & 2019.
Kirby has come out and said that there's been changes to the practice style & game planning approach in recent years. Lighter tackling, less direct involvement in gameplanning etc. To me this indicates changes in coaching strategy & a different style of development.
While his reasons for change were totally valid, results would indicate that those changes aren't going according to plan. A spade is a spade and OP's stats are pretty damning
This post was edited on 10/1/25 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 10/1/25 at 11:58 am to BillysIsland
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Time to have a convo about Schu?
Or time to have a convo about Kirby's scheme?
Coach Donnan says that teams are throwing more on 1st downs against us other teams have decided that if Georgia is so hot and heavy about stopping the run on 1st down, throw it. Our seconary isn't good enough right now to do anything about it.
Not knocking the quarterback on his arse has been a concern for a while now. We've been told that it's about "running the hoop" and "containing the quarterback," but you still have to be able to get to the quarterback more than we are. We did better against Alabama, considering how fast Simpson was getting the ball out, but the Tennessee game was pitiful.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:43 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
He got the ball out fast because we were in man, switch to zone and he is starting to doubt himself.
I bet Vandy makes him look pedestrian.
I bet Vandy makes him look pedestrian.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 12:54 pm to lewis and herschel
Alabama's defense might be the cure for what ails you. We had 2 passes 40-50 yards downfield to a wide open receiver for the first 2 times all season. Our running game looked better against Alabama than it has in the last year and a half.
Vanderbilt - 75
Alabama - 90
Vanderbilt - 75
Alabama - 90
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:02 pm to BillysIsland
Young team that has been depleted by draft picks. /thread
That number will mirror last year by the end of the season, plus we aren’t padding stats in the old SEC East anymore.
That number will mirror last year by the end of the season, plus we aren’t padding stats in the old SEC East anymore.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 1:22 pm to JCdawg
Again, not really that young at all on the defense
Very experienced DL and ILB corps. Everette, Aguero, Harris, and Bolden are multi-year starters. New safety but Thomas and Jones have been on the program a while.
Edge is inexperienced but they aren't freshmen.
Very experienced DL and ILB corps. Everette, Aguero, Harris, and Bolden are multi-year starters. New safety but Thomas and Jones have been on the program a while.
Edge is inexperienced but they aren't freshmen.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:06 pm to BillysIsland
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Or his answer regarding the Cash run on 4th down.
Which players on the field during that play would you have given the ball to?
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:11 pm to BillysIsland
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Ellis Robinson was the number one player in the country and looks terrible. That's coaching.
No. That's his mental mistakes. His still playing after the missed coverages and the stupid penalty is coaching.
Posted on 10/1/25 at 2:35 pm to BillysIsland
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Again, not really that young at all on the defense
Will have to disagree with you on this one. A Georgia beat writer nerd with time on his hands would have a hard time coming up with a Kirby team that had fewer returning career starts coming into the season than this one. I'd bet that the number would be at least half of what it was last season.
Maybe 8 starts at the most on the D Line and 20 at the most at linebacker. Daylen Everette is probably the only player on the defense who had at least 20 starts coming into this season.
I've been watching the games and thinking "who the frick is number (whatever)" this season way more than the average season.
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