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re: A quick refresher on Justin Fields

Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:44 pm to
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:44 pm to
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We have already seen far more of Justin Fields than we ever saw of Bauta pre-Florida, and what we have seen is effective offensive football
Both are untested. That’s the point. Whether we have seen more of Fields than we did of Bauta doesn’t matter to the point.

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Fields' talent level is critical to my position on this. You can't just ignore that part. I'm frustrated because we're watching the starter struggle (and an offense with no identity as a whole) while a freak athlete sits on the bench.
We haven’t seen Fields’ arm talent translate to the SEC yet, meaning he is a theoretical freak at this point. He has shown that he’s quick on his feet, but that won’t hold up by itself in the long run.

There have been a lot of players who looked like freaks in high school but couldn’t make the transition to the next level. It is merely assumed that Fields is a god-man that we are holding back. Clearly the coaches see it differently, and it is that difference between the fans’ opinions and the coaches’ opinions of the backups that is being compared with this analogy.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:58 pm to
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It is merely assumed that Fields is a god-man that we are holding back.

That is not my assumption. My point of view is that UGA needs an offensive identity and better QB play to get where we want to go. I don't see progression from Jake Fromm that I think is likely to get UGA there and think a move to option B might have that long term upside with at least similar results in the short-term.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41648 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:22 pm to
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That is not my assumption.
Perhaps not, but it seems to be the assumption of many here considering they think he’s better than Fromm even though he hasn’t shown that he is. It’s just assumed that he can’t be worse.
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My point of view is that UGA needs an offensive identity and better QB play to get where we want to go. I don't see progression from Jake Fromm that I think is likely to get UGA there and think a move to option B might have that long term upside with at least similar results in the short-term.
Prior to yesterday, Fromm has been playing statistically better than he did last year where he helped us get to the national championship game.

His struggles appear due to inconsistencies at WR (a lot of dropped passes) and poor play calling (we used a lot more RPOs last season) mixed with Fromm trying to go through more progressions than he did last season (a sign of maturity). He’s not as quick to throw the ball away, which you might call a regression, but he’s actually becoming a more mature QB otherwise.

I, too, want to see what Fields can do throwing the ball around more. I want to see if he can manage the offense, get us in the right positions, read what the defenses are doing, and protect the ball. He hasn’t had many opportunities this season to show that. I’m fine with people wanting to see more, but those saying he’s a better QB than Fromm right now given his lack of experience are simply being irrational.
Posted by Walkthedawg
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:29 pm to
Didn't have to read past the first line, Bauta vs Fields? Seriously dude? Funny man you are.
Posted by P-Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 6:35 pm to
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Didn't have to read past the first line, Bauta vs Fields? Seriously dude? Funny man you are.


The entire point of the post was comparing the fans calling for Fields to those that were clamoring for Bauta in 2015. It's as simple as that. The posters here that have a hard-on for Fields are the same ones that missed the point of the OP completely, which isn't surprising.

The situations are nearly identical (again... not comparing the abilities of Bauta to Fields). Neither Bauta or Fields had/have seen significant playing time or meaningful snaps. Georgia was/is in control of its own destiny. We have a week off heading into Jacksonville.

There has to be a reason the coaches didn't let Fields run an entire series (other than Kneehigh's brilliant conspiracy theory that Kirby made some sort of deal with the Fromm family). I would have loved to see Fields get at least a full drive to see if he's capable of running the offense. Apparently the coaches know that he isn't ready. Instead, we got Fields coming in to play wildcat, with one carry for a total of three yards.

It's not fair to Fields to have him come in for one play here and there, and I think it does more harm to both Fromm and Fields when it happens. Like the announcers said, the sack Fromm took taking us out of field goal range was probably due to trying to press after the Fields play. Chaney's doing a shite job at calling plays in general, and randomly subbing Fields in for an option run isn't helping.

So just like 2015, we still have a shot at winning the East and playing for the SEC Championship. I don't want to see Fields starting when obviously the coaches don't think he's capable of running the offense yet.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32820 posts
Posted on 10/14/18 at 6:49 pm to
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There has to be a reason the coaches didn't let Fields run an entire series


And it’s either a good reason or a bad reason.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 6:42 am to
It would seem that the consensus is that Smart is intentionally not agiving the team the best opportunity to win. If this is so then the only conclusion is that Smart is not head coach material.......he doesn’t have the ability to judge talent or he is intentionally not playing the better QB for reasons other than performance on the field. Are y’all therefore saying a coaching change is in order? Is it more a case of Smart just isn’t as good a coach as he looked like last year? Is it still a work in progress and last year was just alignment of stars?

Here’s my hot take. Fromm is a game manager....he has only lost one game due to his playing while starting at UGA....this weeks game. The Auburn game last year was a team effort. Fromm was very fortunate to have Chubb and Michelle. We could run the ball last year and did. The difference in the LSU game is we could run the ball.....but DIDNT. We attacked the strength of the LSU defense instead of forcing them to respect the running game....why is anybody’s guess but it’s what we did.

Anyone who really thought we go through this year unbeaten was delusional. Last years team was one of if not the best team we’ve ever had....they lost BAD at Auburn. Going 7ndefeated in CFB is damned hard, especially in the SEC. That said our refusal to run the ball when LSU was conceding the run is the controversy......the Fields Fromm debate is a distraction but our insistence to dive at the centers ankles continually when it isn’t working and then refusing to do it when it is is just ridiculous. I don’t know I’d that’s on Chaney or Smart but ultimately it’s on the latter....hopefully Chaney has been read the riot act by now.....because that’s why we lost the game. Fromm was shitty but we had an out that wasn’t fields throwing the ball every play...we just refused to take it....
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25872 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:06 am to
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It would seem that the consensus is that Smart is intentionally not agiving the team the best opportunity to win

That is not the consensus at all. I just think he’s making a mistake. That isn’t an indictment of him. He’s human. I could be wrong for the same reason.
This post was edited on 10/15/18 at 7:07 am
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
7035 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:20 am to
I have not slugged my way through the board yet as I only post during the week not on weekends so I don't know what all has been said.....I'm not all in on either qb being "the guy"...I do think Fromm is more developed and has been in some pressurized situations in which he has excelled...but I will say this...the couple of times Fields came in with Holyfield with him, we gained yards.....why we did not use that more..baffles me.

Riley Ridley was begging for the ball all game.

Brian Herrien (from my home town mind you) needs to stay his arse on the sideline until we are winning in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter.

That is all.
Posted by BigDaddyDawg
Washington D.C.
Member since Sep 2017
1328 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:25 am to
Have an upvote for saving / finding those quotes .. shocker it’s the same discontents

Anyone who thinks that was about comparing fields to bauta or lambert to Fromm should just quietly walk away

Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32820 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:26 am to
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seem that the consensus is that Smart is intentionally not agiving the team the best opportunity to win. If this is so then the only conclusion is that Smart is not head coach material.......he doesn’t have the ability to judge talent or he is intentionally not playing the better QB for reasons other than performance on the field.


Saban made the same mistake last year. Guess he isn’t head coach material.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44763 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 7:30 am to
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Riley Ridley was begging for the ball all game


He and Hardman were open all fricking day.
Posted by NCDawg52
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2014
3151 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 9:34 am to
I paid around $20k to the Universty of Georgia many years ago to learn, among other things, that the OP is presenting what we call a false equivalency
Posted by dhuck20
SCLSU Fan
Member since Oct 2012
20325 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 1:04 pm to
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Georgia had been steamrolling
Outside of beatdown of GARBAGE SC I don't think me and you were watching the same team

Also, see you completely left off that debacle of a comeback for UT in Knoxville....

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but pressure got to Richt to

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Richt caved

Not only are you saying Lambert/Bauta = Fromm/Fields but are you seriously insinuating that Richt said "Welp, here you fans, I'll give you what you want! I am going to let the fans decide what to do"

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Had Georgia beat Florida, we would have returned to the SEC Championship Game and had a shot at the playoffs

I think you are forgetting just how bad we were that year. If we somehow moseyed in to a matchup with Bama, we lose by 40 at minimum.
Posted by miledawg
athens ga
Member since Sep 2005
2033 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 1:56 pm to
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We were averaging 7 yards a carry between Holyfield and Swift... and decided to go away from the run when the game was well in reach. There's no telling what Chaney will do.



Was Chaney Arky's OC the year they started out killing us with the run, then decided to start passing?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32820 posts
Posted on 10/15/18 at 2:10 pm to
Yes, and gus does it all the time.
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