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re: A quick refresher on Justin Fields
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:19 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:19 pm to DawgsLife
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It is as legitimate as comparing Fromm to Hutson Mason
The whole OP is dumb.
Although Mason never played a game as poorly as Fromm did yesterday, at least not that I remember.
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Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:20 pm to TripleBrass
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I don't like the comparison. I also know that our gameplan in 2015 made sense. We put in a running QB and didn't run AT ALL. Not a recipe for success. We ran the exact same playbook.
In fairness, when you fall behind by 20 by halftime, you better start throwing the ball. Our defense got us beat in that game....our defense and Bauta's INT's. A recipe for disaster.
Richt never should have listened to the people on this board.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:24 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The whole OP is dumb.
You aren't understanding his point. he wasn't comparing QB's. he was comparing what people were saying then to what they are saying now and the results when people got what they thought they wanted.
Sometimes fans should let the coach coach.
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Although Mason never played a game as poorly as Fromm did yesterday, at least not that I remember.
I don't know, either. If it happened more than 5 minutes ago, I have pretty much forgotten.
I do think we lost to Auburn last year as badly, and if we panicked like people are right now we never would have made the playoffs.
We all knew we had a very young team and would take a step back. Many on here predicted LSU would beat us before the season started. So, basically the season is playing out exactly the way we thought it would, but everybody is surprisingly irate.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:25 pm to HTDawg
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Obviously Fields and Bauta aren’t the same players but you captured the essence of the irrational fans.
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No, he made an idiotic comparison.
And yet it was you who compared Fromm to Hutson Mason. And it was you who called for Bauta to start that game.
Irony is ironical.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:29 pm to DawgsLife
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he wasn't comparing QB's. he was comparing what people were saying then to what they are saying now and the results when people got what they thought they wanted.
Sometimes fans should let the coach coach.
People being wrong then doesn’t make them wrong now. Coaches aren’t infallible and are historically prone to keeping the status quo at QB when that might not be the best move.
In this case, 11 is not playing well enough for me to think it’s reasonable to leave him in. We won’t beat anyone decent with him playing like he has a good chunk of this season. He’s started poorly in almost every game, and UGA doesn’t have time for that against talented teams.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:29 pm to AlaCowboy
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Richt tried something different? He put in a running QB and had him dropping back to pass all game. It was the stupidest of all the stupid things I've seen since Ray Goff.
You should check out game stats before you speak.
Sony Michel ran the ball 13 time for 45 yards...a 3.5 average. one of those runs was a 10 yarder, meaning he has 12 runs for 35 yards. (less than 3 yards a carry) Florid was stuffing our run and built a huge lead.
Where Richt messed up was leaving Bauta in as long as he did.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:35 pm to Crowknowsbest
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People being wrong then doesn’t make them wrong now.
I agree. but that doesn't make them right, either. It does show that their judgement might not be the best when evaluating talent. People were very sure that Bauta would be the change needed, because somebody saw him throwing the summer before and he looked good.
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Coaches aren’t infallible and are historically prone to keeping the status quo at QB when that might not be the best move.
Again we agree. but they are in a better position to make the call than people on a message board, are they not?
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In this case, 11 is not playing well enough for me to think it’s reasonable to leave him in. We won’t beat anyone decent with him playing like he has a good chunk of this season. He’s started poorly in almost every game, and UGA doesn’t have time for that against talented teams.
I understand what you are saying and will acknowledge that you might very well be right. My stance is that we hired Kirby to make those decisions and I am going to let him make those decisions. I realize he doesn't look at this board and it is only y'alls opinion, but I also realize fans tend to send e-mails, make phone calls, hound coaches in public about decisions like this. For right now, I'd like to keep Kirby around a while longer and not run him off because fans are having knee jerk reactions over a loss we thought possible anyway.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:39 pm to BranchDawg
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Nice try a-hole. I'm not that stupid.
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At least put forth some actual effort and pull the posts from that year. In addition to being wrong, you're also lazy.
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying. He said that the same people that want Fields now are the same ones that wanted Bauta then. I'm pretty sure you fit that.
I would not have called anybody "mouthbreathers", but you did want Bauta and in your link you did say it was time fro Fields.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:40 pm to DawgsLife
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they are in a better position to make the call than people on a message board, are they not?
Not if they have some bias toward one player or the other
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For right now, I'd like to keep Kirby around a while longer and not run him off because fans are having knee jerk reactions over a loss we thought possible anyway.
I’m not going to send Kirby any emails. This is not a knee jerk reaction to a loss though. This has been building all season. Yesterday was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. I went from “Fields should play a bigger role” to “this should be Fields’ show”
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:40 pm to HTDawg
quote:You are one of those people who don’t understand the point of analogies. They are not meant to be a one-to-one exact comparison. They are meant to highlight similar aspects of two different things to prove a point.
No, he made an idiotic comparison
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:41 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:See my previous post.
Not even a little bit
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:46 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Not if they have some bias toward one player or the other
Coaches have a bias toward winning
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:46 pm to FooManChoo
Calling for Justin Fields to start is not the same thing as calling for Bauta to start. The difference in their respective physical talent levels makes one much more likely to be effective than the other, making the analogy worthless.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:47 pm to bigdawg7780
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Coaches have a bias toward winning
I’m not questioning that.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:53 pm to DawgsLife
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but you did want Bauta
I don't even think I was posting here back then. Think I was just a lurker until the last few games of 15.
If I was, I don't think that was the decision that cost us that Florida game. I think we would have lost that game equally badly with lambert under center. Bauta was horrible, but at least we found out he was horrible and weren't arguing about it for the rest of the season
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:Calling for untested backups to start was the point. Whether there is a talent difference between the two backups is beside the point. Obviously Fields has better raw potential than Bauta did, but again, that wasn’t the point.
Calling for Justin Fields to start is not the same thing as calling for Bauta to start. The difference in their respective physical talent levels makes one much more likely to be effective than the other, making the analogy worthless.
The point is that it is easy to question the decisions of the coaches and it’s easy to be a fan of the backup QB who hasn’t shown himself to be an utter failure yet, especially when the starter struggles. That doesn’t mean it’s the right decision to start the backup just because you are frustrated.
I still find the comparison to be apt.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:00 pm to FooManChoo
We have already seen far more of Justin Fields than we ever saw of Bauta pre-Florida, and what we have seen is effective offensive football.
Fields' talent level is critical to my position on this. You can't just ignore that part. I'm frustrated because we're watching the starter struggle (and an offense with no identity as a whole) while a freak athlete sits on the bench.
Fields' talent level is critical to my position on this. You can't just ignore that part. I'm frustrated because we're watching the starter struggle (and an offense with no identity as a whole) while a freak athlete sits on the bench.
This post was edited on 10/14/18 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:09 pm to Crowknowsbest
I don't listen to Paul Finebaum much, but he's right when he said on Sportscenter that Smart has blown the QB situation.
Fromm never found his rhythm, especially downfield for a passing game strapped for big plays throughout. With five-star freshman Justin Fields ready to go on the sideline, Georgia's backup option's lack of involvement seemed to miff the CBS broadcast crew and millions of viewers, Including ESPN college football analyst Paul Finebaum.
"I’m not bailing on Georgia, but it’s very tempting,” Finebaum said during Sunday's appearance on SportsCenter. "They still have a chance. I don’t believe they will get to the Playoffs this year because I think Kirby Smart has blown the quarterback situation. It’s time to make the move. Jake Fromm has proven he’s not an elite passer in the big games. We saw that against Alabama and we saw that again yesterday. Look what they have left — Florida and Kentucky is more challenging than people (think). Auburn, forget that one.
Fromm never found his rhythm, especially downfield for a passing game strapped for big plays throughout. With five-star freshman Justin Fields ready to go on the sideline, Georgia's backup option's lack of involvement seemed to miff the CBS broadcast crew and millions of viewers, Including ESPN college football analyst Paul Finebaum.
"I’m not bailing on Georgia, but it’s very tempting,” Finebaum said during Sunday's appearance on SportsCenter. "They still have a chance. I don’t believe they will get to the Playoffs this year because I think Kirby Smart has blown the quarterback situation. It’s time to make the move. Jake Fromm has proven he’s not an elite passer in the big games. We saw that against Alabama and we saw that again yesterday. Look what they have left — Florida and Kentucky is more challenging than people (think). Auburn, forget that one.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:24 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Not if they have some bias toward one player or the other
Honest question. Do you really and honestly believe that Kirby is biased against Fields?
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I’m not going to send Kirby any emails.
No. I don't think you are that type. But you do realize that there are an awful lot of people that will, right?
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I went from “Fields should play a bigger role” to “this should be Fields’ show”
And you might be right. I am not arguing that you are wrong. I am arguing that the coach is in a better position to make the call, and should be allowed to.
That's what we pay him for. If he is biased, r makes poor calls, then he should not be our coach, and will get fired because of it.
If I were the coach, I would get fired for my decisions and not the decisions of a bunch of fans on a message board. I would also want to get the best kid on the field so I could get all that bonus money and bigger contracts.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:34 pm to DawgsLife
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Honest question. Do you really and honestly believe that Kirby is biased against Fields?
Not intentionally. I think they, like many coaches, are subconsciously biased toward the more experienced player, whether that be due to risk aversion or loyalty.
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