re: 2018 UGA Recruiting Thread (commits, offers, visits, etc.) - Back to that #1 class

Thanks Lew. I will have to watch tour secondary Saint, I know you guys have had guys like Marlon Humphrey and Eddie Robinson, so I assumed you were still loaded back there. We have a former walk on named Aaron Davis that plays a ton for us. Most of the other guys are 4 stars are 3 stars. Some of those guys will play on Sundays though.

I understand people saying that our recruiting needs another year or two. That is fair enough.

What I don't understand is ,"how does that relate to redshirting players from the 2018 class?"

These kids, 99% of them, need to see the field as fast as possible. We should not be recruiting 5 year projects. We should not be offering kids and selling them on the idea that they can get their PhD in the next 5 years.

We are recruiting at such a high level, if we can't squeeze all of the college football out of them in 4 years, then we are recruiting the wrong kids.

That 85 number is a hard cap. Redshirts means fewer kids available in future recruiting classes (85 / 4 = 21.25 per year. 85 / 5 = 17 per year). That's just my opinion on redshirts. As few as possible.

I'm not trying to argue.

So I will pull some numbers out as guesses to the best of my ability.

We have 5 redshirts right now from 2017?
I think there were about 6 or 7 from the 2016 class that redshirted.

That is the best answer that I can give you right now. Feel free to share what you know.

My question (after you share what you know) is, "how many of those redshirts will be here in 5 years?"

How many fifth year players does Bama maintain every season? My guess... not many.

If I had to guess... you are stretching things at 40% redshirts.
30% would be at the high end.
Many years 20% (5 out of 25), would be an average.

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Redshirting to me is the sole purpose of staying 5 years in the program

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That's the answer to keep it short. It's only 3-4, not 5.
Proper roster management, and continually bringing in good classes, doesn't require freshmen not on the two deep or special teams to play. Excluding running backs and very talented defensive lineman.

Selling the kid to come to a program and practicing against the best in the country their freshman year on scout is beneficial. You just show the results from the past.

Check out Bama's past draft history. They weren't fifth year seniors. You won't see one with Kirby.
Attrition will be lower. Richt kicked them out, Kirby will graduate them. Better graduation rates, lower need for underclassmen to play right away.
Extra year in S&C. We have a great program now and it's showing. It doesn't show much the first year though. It's more of a transition.


Hypothetically, let's say we fill our needs in '19 class, and it's at the top.

Where does a '20 kid stand much of a chance?
Knowing others in front of him were willing to do the same thing to get drafted is the sell.

We've never been here, but this is what the "process" entails.

Take in account Bama will keep grey-shirting. If you're not aware of it, look it up. Kids have lined up to go there. We were in that position this year, but '19 class is loaded.

8 of top 10 composite in-state next year are Dawgs or leans.
Already have 3 5*'s on board, with a couple more coming.

Now think of my 2020 question again. Why not redshirt them for roster management. If they're willing to do it, it benefits both player and program.


Eta- I really could go on and on about it lol.

I'm still not following.

I understand kids being on the scout team and taking extra reps in the weight room because they won't be on a travel roster.
That I follow.

Why a full redshirt? If the point is to graduate them in 4 years and let them be men in the professional world, why take on more redshirts than are absolutely needed (i.e. Ben Cleveland who was very young and very raw and could focus on adjusting to college life that first year).

Kids love playing. Not practicing (except for maybe Chubb and a few "weirdos" like that :) ). Get them on the field against Samford to get a taste if they earned it in practice. Get them on the field goal unit. I dont see the merit of protecting that 5th year if the intent is to not use it.

Like I said... I'm not arguing (I won't change any minds on here, and that isn't my point. I'm just sharing a perspective as warped as mine may be).

Cheers

Rice has a lot of meaningful reps.

I don't know the "years" of guys like laguins. Probably sophs.

Lecounte has had a lot of minutes. Not a ton in the meaningful category.

We could just look at the offensive line

Tackles:
Thomas(SO), Wilson(rFR), Baker(SR), Hayes(rJR)

Guard/Center:
Gaillard(SR), Cleveland(rSO), Johnson(rFR), Kindley(rSO)

Also:
Madden(rJR), Barnes(rSO), Allen(rJR), Shaffer(rFR)

In two short years, we have built tons of depth. This year we redshirted a 5* OT, a JUCO OT that was thought to be a starter this year, and another top 100 4* OG. Thats going to probably happen to another 5* OT and 4* OG this season that wont crack the two deep.

Its going to happen at WR with Hardman, Godwin, Ridley, Crumpton, Hollowman, Blount, and Landers all coming back.

Nauta, Warner, and Harris are all back at TE. At least one of the two freshmen coming in will probably be redshirted.

Thats just on the offensive side of the ball.

There's only so many snaps to go around, and because of our recruiting, we can afford to redshirt players because of the talent in front of them.

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We could just look at the offensive line

Tackles:
Thomas(SO), Wilson(rFR), Baker(SR), Hayes(rJR)

Guard/Center:
Gaillard(SR), Cleveland(rSO), Johnson(rFR), Kindley(rSO)

Also:
Madden(rJR), Barnes(rSO), Allen(rJR), Shaffer(rFR

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Will Madden still be here as a redshirt senior in 2020?
Will Allen still be here as a redshirt senior in 2020?

I'm guessing that they graduate and move on as opposed to take a spot on the 85 that could go to a recruit in the 2020 signing class.

I don't know their specific situations. But if they were physically capable, mentally capable, and practice yielded them an opportunity, how cool would it have been for them to step on the field as a freshman?

"Protecting" the redshirt should be foreign to our staff. It will be needed. It will happen. But let the kids play when they do good. Even if it is junk time extra point team or junk time kickoff coverage.

I hated how Grantham never developed guys... even in blowouts. He worried more about stats and resume' building than the players who were fighting for him during practice.

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I hated how Grantham never developed guys... even in blowouts. He worried more about stats and resume' building than the players who were fighting for him during practice.

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Remember how the backups let a TD late vs Florida that blew our shutout? The starters were PISSED, very pissed. These guys take pride in their stats and their successes. We want to be in a situation where these guys can play a full game and the backups can worry about continuing to get better so they are ready to step in due to injury or when the starter goes to the NFL. Remember, we are in a situation where the game is “easy” compared to the practices. The starters have earned the right to play as much as they want.