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Posted on 4/23/24 at 10:53 am to wdhalgren
It sucks, but we picked a bad night to have a bad night against Bama. Texas handled their business against the Tide.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 11:11 am to VoxDawg
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It sucks, but we picked a bad night to have a bad night against Bama. Texas handled their business against the Tide.
I'm not denying any of that, in fact the committee did exactly what I expected. The groundwork had been laid for a year that UGA's "weak" schedule didn't allow for a loss. My guess is that even if we'd played Oklahoma, and most likely kicked their butts, we'd have still been behind Texas in the end.
SEC fatigue is real and the committee is well aware of that. I'm sure they hear it from the big sports media. That's why TCU (who would've lost handily to Alabama) didn't budge in the rankings after losing to KState in 2022.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 11:28 am
Posted on 4/23/24 at 11:38 am to wdhalgren
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That's why TCU (who would've lost handily to Alabama) didn't budge in the rankings after losing to KState in 2022.
TCU also beat Michigan.
You play games on the field, not on paper. Otherwise what is even the point to playing the games. You couldn’t put Alabama in over Texas, and you couldn’t put Georgia in over Alabama. Same records and head to head has to matter.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:02 pm to Dawgsontop34
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TCU also beat Michigan. You play games on the field, not on paper.
Yep, I saw that. Alabama woud've whitewashed TCU, 10 of 10 on paper and on the field.. Not as bad as Georgia did, but easily.
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You couldn’t put Alabama in over Texas, and you couldn’t put Georgia in over Alabama. Same records and head to head has to matter.
Of course I could. Your opinion is your opinion; don't confuse it with mine. The committee's stated goal is best four teams. My best 4 would've included Georgia. I'm not the only one that thinks that, in fact I've heard multiple people say they think Georgia was the best team and would've won it all.
I don't think Texas was that good. They beat Bama when Milroe was still very green and had a bad game, and then lost to a lower level Oklahoma team. They weren't a dominant team against a weak Big 12 schedule. They weren't on Georgia's level, in my opinion.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:21 pm to wdhalgren
Why play the games?
People like you ignore them.
Why have playoffs?
The worst team might win.
We need the best team playing for the championship.
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People like you ignore them.
Why have playoffs?
The worst team might win.
We need the best team playing for the championship.
/s
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:30 pm to meansonny
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Why play the games?
People like you ignore them.
I'd rather not assume what others do, or know, but I guess insults are the currency of message boards.. So, to play this game, this is where I say, "People like you ignore all the other games."
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Why have playoffs?
The worst team might win.
We need the best team playing for the championship.
This part is very confusing. Practice your writing composition skills and get back to me.
Am I down on your level of discourse yet?
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 12:43 pm to wdhalgren
I don't care if we are on any plane together.
If you are insulted by that post, you are f r a g I l e. Lol
H2h has to matter otherwise why play have competitive matchups?
Schedule sisters of the poor all season and let fans like you pick who is best. You can look at two teams and tell who is best.
MLB could probably do away with the regular season, too. Just declare the top two salary teams as finalists.
If you are insulted by that post, you are f r a g I l e. Lol
H2h has to matter otherwise why play have competitive matchups?
Schedule sisters of the poor all season and let fans like you pick who is best. You can look at two teams and tell who is best.
MLB could probably do away with the regular season, too. Just declare the top two salary teams as finalists.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 1:06 pm to meansonny
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I don't care if we are on any plane together.
If you are insulted by that post, you are f r a g I l e. Lol
I'm not insulted, but I do recognize your attempts to be insulting. The derisive Lol is a staple of message board condescension too, lol. Like I said, I'd rather carry on a civil debate, if you're interested.
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H2h has to matter otherwise why play have competitive matchups?
Head to head does matter, but it's not an overriding principle. And, Georgia did not play Texas head to head. I think Georgia's overall season was better than Texas', and UGA had a better quarterback, a better OL, and a better defense.
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Schedule sisters of the poor all season and let fans like you pick who is best. You can look at two teams and tell who is best.
MLB could probably do away with the regular season, too. Just declare the top two salary teams as finalists.
See, now you resort to derisive sarcasm again. Have you never heard that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit? It's never to going to change minds or even elaborate what you actually believe. Just make your point without trying to be funny, or cutting.
If you think Texas was better than Georgia, maybe explain it by discussing their seasons. Skip on past the Bama game, we've already beaten that one to death and I've said that Texas > Bama > Georgia doesn't work for me. It's based on a logical fallacy and the games were at opposite ends of the season anyway, which means the teams were very different. It does not establish that Texas was better than Georgia. If you think that it does, fine, we'll just disagree.
Or just use more unreadable sarcasm. It takes less thought for sure.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 2:49 pm to wdhalgren
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See, now you resort to derisive sarcasm again
You are obviously lost.
Lol (that means I'm laughing. It is not some sort of mental gymnastics technique).
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:05 pm to wdhalgren
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I guess it depends on the criteria.
I consider myself pretty well versed on the selection committee operated, at least compared to the average joe, and what's maddening to me is that they did a total about face this year. Maybe it's because it was the final year and they just said "eh frick it, we're tripling in size next year anyway so who cares". Maybe it's because of extenuating circumstances. Who knows. What I DO know is that they operated *literally* in the exact same manner for 9 consecutive years, then did the exact opposite in year 10.
For the first 9 years the committee ALWAYS voted on best resume/most desreving. Period. "Best team" argument is bullshite, "best team" is subjective and relies on the eye test, while best resume is far more objective. And honeslty they got it right all 9 years as well. Fast forward to year 10. There is no way to justify a 13-0 undefeated P5 champ not having a top 4 resume. So if they want to leave FSU out beacuse of travis being injured, now they are shifting from best resume to best team, since FSU was no longer a great team without their QB. Ok...so if we've now shifted the goal posts to best team, how is UGA not obviously and clearly one of the 4 best?
Note I'm not even really complaining about us being left out, since we'd be left out every other of the 9 years in the same scenairo. So t's not a "woe is us we got screwed" argument. FSU got royally and absolutely fricked.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 3:15 pm to Griffindawg
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Which was worse?
Tyler Simmons offsides or 1 to 6 with one loss in a conference championship?
tyler simmons without a shadow of a doubt. When I walked out of lucas oil stadium I remember thinking we could have a losing record the next 5 years and lose to UF/gt in each of 'em and I woulnd't even care. That feeling of winning a natty for the first time in my life was enough to sustain another decade regardless of what happened. Little did I imagine that we'd win the next 15 and go back to back anyway.
Going 13-1 and winning the orange bowl in the most lopsided bowl game of all time and finishing int eh top 5 was a remarkable season, even if it didn't end with a national title.
2017 hurt really bad because it was the first natty we'd even played for in my lifetime, and it felt like the universe just conspired against us with all the absolute horse shite calls that went against us. Not to mention the obvious way in which it ended.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:25 pm to Dawgsontop34
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You couldn’t put Alabama in over Texas, and you couldn’t put Georgia in over Alabama
But you could put Georgia in over Washington. 4 best not 4 most deserving.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 4:27 pm to WG_Dawg
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Going 13-1 and winning the orange bowl in the most lopsided bowl game of all time and finishing int eh top 5 was a remarkable season, even if it didn't end with a national title.
Felt like a shitty consolation prize to me. Like the 2007 beatdown of Hawaii.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:20 pm to Griffindawg
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But you could put Georgia in over Washington. 4 best not 4 most deserving.
A 13-0 Washington that beat Oregon twice, and a Pac 12 that was actually pretty good last year? No way. Honestly, I think FSU should have gotten in too.
But I also think the committee would be fine saying “most deserving” instead of “best”.
I try and look at it as objectively as I can. If I was a fan of Washington, I would have thought they would deserve to be in. Same thing with Texas.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 5:50 pm to WG_Dawg
Here's what Bill Hancock (CFP director) said about "best team" vs "most deserving".
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If best four teams is the criteria, leaving FSU out does seem appropriate, keeping in mind that even the word "best" is subjective here. They lost their most important player at the most important position, and two subsequent games demonstrated that they didn't have a good backup. At that point, they weren't a top four team according to the committee and I have to agree.
On the other hand, including TCU in 2022 didn't seem consistent with choosing the "best teams", to me at least. I spent some time studying them prior to the championship and came away thinking they were a good, but not great, team.
Bottom line, ranking teams with widely different schedules is more art than science no matter how you do it. I'm fine with different opinions because there's no right answer, but that means the committee gets it wrong sometimes too. And whenever people make choices of this magnitude, bias and outside influences are part of the process.
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“I appreciate your asking that question. It is best. Most deserving is not anything in the committee’s lexicon. They are to rank the best teams in order, and that’s what they do. Just keep that word in mind: best teams,” Hancock said.
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If best four teams is the criteria, leaving FSU out does seem appropriate, keeping in mind that even the word "best" is subjective here. They lost their most important player at the most important position, and two subsequent games demonstrated that they didn't have a good backup. At that point, they weren't a top four team according to the committee and I have to agree.
On the other hand, including TCU in 2022 didn't seem consistent with choosing the "best teams", to me at least. I spent some time studying them prior to the championship and came away thinking they were a good, but not great, team.
Bottom line, ranking teams with widely different schedules is more art than science no matter how you do it. I'm fine with different opinions because there's no right answer, but that means the committee gets it wrong sometimes too. And whenever people make choices of this magnitude, bias and outside influences are part of the process.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:23 pm to wdhalgren
2017 bama made it to the playoffs by missing the seccg. We played in it and lost to a playoff team by 3.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 6:31 pm to Griffindawg
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2017 bama made it to the playoffs by missing the seccg. We played in it and lost to a playoff team by 3.
Same for Ohio State in 2022, sat at home with an extra week to prepare. Meanwhile USC played in their CC game and got knocked out, allowing Ohio State to move up. These are flaws in the system and with a wider playoff, conference championship games will continue to be a hindrance in some cases.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 7:57 pm to wdhalgren
Great thing about this argument is that we aren’t missing the playoffs any more as long as Kirby is coach at Georgia.
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