re: Well, it's now or never for Sumlin and A&M

No school that is firing half the staff or the entire staff is going to have great recruiting momentum.

Either Charlie stays and he has a new defensive and special teams staff or he gets fired and a new coach has to scramble to keep current commits as well as add others.

It's also pretty damn pathetic that you seem to assume Herman is going to Texas if Charlie is fired and that it automatically means we are screwed. Maybe he goes to LSU, maybe USC, maybe he stays. You have no idea what he is going to want to do.

So yea, it does have everything to do w/your post b/c you live in a magical fairy land where no matter what happens Texas has all the momentum and A&M is fricked. It doesn't matter what happens b/c you've already drawn your conclusions and will forever work backwards to make sure there is a way to justify just how screwed you think A&M is.

It's a good thing you aren't involved w/the team b/c your needlessly defeatist and negative attitude is the exact kind that poisons a team and ruins it beyond repair.

I don't get why people are just assuming that Herman is going to leave Houston. He already makes 3 million and if Houston joins the Big 12, he becomes the fourth highest paid coach IN THE NATION. He seems to love working there and Houston will do everything they can to match any offer he gets so why can't he be the Gary Patterson type and stay at the smaller school?

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assuming that Herman is going to leave Houston. He already makes 3 million and if Houston joins the Big 12, he becomes the fourth highest paid coach IN THE NATION. He seems to love working there and Houston will do everything they can to match any offer he gets so why can't he be the Gary Patterson type and stay at the smaller school?

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One of Texas, LSU or USC will double his salary and his personality isn't that of a Patterson. He has a huge ego and Texas is by most accounts his dream job.

Wrong, our recruiting success is based on having coaches who win and an admin that understands you must pay your assistants what they are worth and that you absolutely can't let facilities stagnate/fall behind compared to the competition.

The last time we had a consistent winner in RC the recruiting slump that occurred was DIRECTLY caused by a penny pinching AD who refused to keep facilities up to date or pay the salary required to keep the better assistants in College Station. It was an old Ag "this is good enough" mentality that crippled any long term vision. They were so out of touch the restrooms for the Kyle Field suites were a bunch of leaky toilets that constantly flooded and a piss trough up until the bitter end of the old West side.

Wally Groff ain't here telling Sumlin that a tiny arse office w/only enough room for two chairs located in a fricking parking garage and an old arse gym should be good enough to win the top recruits.

Our penny pinching and shitty facilities didn't hurt us until Texas hired Mavk Brown and they started winning/kicking our arse. We signed a national top 5 class in 1991, 1992 and 1995.

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Historically our success is directly tied to Texas, or more accurately tied to their recruiting. We have never had sustained success at the same time.

I'm sorry if it offends you, but they are the Jones's when they're good or they can turn a narrative in their favor. It's just the way it is. They are Texas, their logo is practically synonymous with our state to outsiders. We will never be them in that regard. To ignore trends that existed before our grandparents were born is silly.

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To assume that those trends will continue regardless of changed circumstances is equally insupportable. Our ancestors were subjects of the British Empire, upon which the sun never set. But the Colonies declared their independence, struck out on their own, and now we're the most powerful nation on earth, and Britain is a shadow of its former glory.

Point is, empires fall, and dynasties die out. Things change. You're right that historically we've been good when UTx was bad, but ALSO historically we have been:

- All male
- Military
- Small (much smaller than UTx)
- Penny-pinching
- In the same conference

Now we're co-ed, the corps is a fraction of the student body, we're BIGGER than UTx, we've got a new $400m stadium, and we're shelling out millions to Sumlin, Chavis, etc., and we're in the SEC (UTx is stuck in the miserable B12).

Does it help us if UTx is down? Of course. But it seems like you're saying our fate is entirely in their hands. That's just not true.

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You act like 8-4 is more likely than 5-7

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I believe it is

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Roger, you have lost your mind. You'd pick them winning 6 more games out of their remaining 8, when their defense is much worse than last year? A year they actually went 5-7?

Alright, I'm gonna be that a-hole who bumps an old thread (last time I promise).

Texas's "signature" win keeps getting more "signature-y". Notre Dame now 2-4 with the loss this weekend and not even projected to make a bowl according to Espn's FPI. Not only a case for not over reacting, but how garbage preseason polls can be.

Thread is funny and sad and everything in between