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re: Texas A&M Basketball 2015-2016 - Sweet Sixteen Edition!!
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:42 am to Dr RC
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:42 am to Dr RC
I'm not sold on Kennedy, but just looking at stats/facts, he's showed slow but steady improvement on record over his career with few exceptions. That's his MO. Why isn't anyone excited about this?:
2012–13 Texas A&M 18–15 7–11
2013–14 Texas A&M 18–16 8–10
2014–15 Texas A&M 21–12 11–7
A&M football should expect to compete for conference titles. A&M basketball, while I love it and am a season ticket holder, has been one of the worst major conference programs, historically. At this point, we should be happy to make NCAA tourneys. Kennedy is clearly taking us there this year (my bad, if it's a positive, Stansbury is taking us there). So why the melt?
2012–13 Texas A&M 18–15 7–11
2013–14 Texas A&M 18–16 8–10
2014–15 Texas A&M 21–12 11–7
A&M football should expect to compete for conference titles. A&M basketball, while I love it and am a season ticket holder, has been one of the worst major conference programs, historically. At this point, we should be happy to make NCAA tourneys. Kennedy is clearly taking us there this year (my bad, if it's a positive, Stansbury is taking us there). So why the melt?
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 9:44 am
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:03 am to Intheheartoftexas
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At this point, we should be happy to make NCAA tourneys.
We have a top 20 roster (maybe higher). No one should be happy with just making the NCAA tournament.
This is a perfect year for A&M to do something special. Unfortunately, the head coach will likely limit how much we can accomplish.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:05 am to Intheheartoftexas
Kennedy has a top 10 recruiting class.
In basketball, that means a good coach takes that team to the sweet 16.
Kennedy, of course, gets us an NIT berth.
In basketball, that means a good coach takes that team to the sweet 16.
Kennedy, of course, gets us an NIT berth.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:06 am to Intheheartoftexas
And there are plenty of metrics that show we made no improvement in years 1, 2 and 3.
Last year was the first year of actual improvement, and even then there will still a ton of negatives. Some of those negatives were fine if you ignore the f-ups in years 1-3. But if you look at Kennedy's overall resume, it becomes more difficult to ignore.
Last year was the first year of actual improvement, and even then there will still a ton of negatives. Some of those negatives were fine if you ignore the f-ups in years 1-3. But if you look at Kennedy's overall resume, it becomes more difficult to ignore.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:12 am to NanosTacoRun
I don't even know how to respond to some of this stuff, like metrics showing team degeneration despite improved W/L record, improved postseason tourneys, etc. As far as a top 10 recruiting class of freshman equaling a sweet 16 berth, I'm not sure where you'd go besides Michigan's Fab 5. Because most programs pulling top 10 classes aren't in the crapper like our program in terms of talent. Kennedy (I mean, Stansbury) did a good job of getting guys like House and Jones in. Now a phenomenal job of bringing in top talent. Recruiting is half of the deal in basketball. At worst, we have a coach who kicks butt on the recruiting trail and is a poor coach. When you look at A&M's history, only BG did both. On the Fab 5....Michigan fired Fisher and a big knock was he couldn't coach. All he did was go to SDSU and revolutionize a program on his coaching ability. Be careful what you ask for. A&M isn't a destination job in basketball. Our fans can't even fill half the place up when we're a top 25 team...
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:15 am to Intheheartoftexas
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When you look at A&M's history, only BK did both
Mark Turgeon was an ok recruiter and an excellent Xs and Os coach. Turgeon might win the SEC with this team's talent.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:43 am to Intheheartoftexas
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I don't even know how to respond to some of this stuff, like metrics showing team degeneration despite improved W/L record, improved postseason tourneys, etc.
Year 1...no legitimate postseason
Year 2...no legitimate postseason
Year 3...no legitimate postseason
Year 1... RPI #166
Year 2... RPI #105
Year 3... RPI #147
Year 1... Kenpom #119
Year 2... Kenpom #105
Year 3... Kenpom #121
That's all coming off a season where we made the NCAA tournament as a #9 seed, had an RPI of 34 and a kenpom rank of 49.
Do you know how to respond to that?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:57 am to Intheheartoftexas
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despite improved W/L record
If you seriously think that the SEC from 2013-2015 was even in the same galaxy as the Big 12 in terms of overall conference strength, then there is no hope for you.
As far as overall record, Kennedy's strength of schedule got significantly worse from year to year and he STILL managed to frick up and lose to a grossly inferior team each season in nonconference:
2011 - Rice at home
2012 - Southern at home
2013 - North Texas by 20 at home
2014 - Kansas State
2015 - Remains to be seen about Arizona State
You know it's business as usual when Sandhop is white-knighting for a shitty coach on ******
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:28 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
My bad. Meant "BG" not "BK." And I totally agree that the SEC is ripe for racking up wins (just as our football schedule was the same this year).
On what Turgeon would do with this talent, the point is moot, as Turg couldn't bring in this type of talent. He is accountable for his own recruiting in his later tenure here. Although I'll say he's doing great at Maryland.
Keep in mind he left with scathing remarks for our fanbase (IE, all of you), due to the lack of support provided to ranked teams.
On what Turgeon would do with this talent, the point is moot, as Turg couldn't bring in this type of talent. He is accountable for his own recruiting in his later tenure here. Although I'll say he's doing great at Maryland.
Keep in mind he left with scathing remarks for our fanbase (IE, all of you), due to the lack of support provided to ranked teams.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:33 pm to Intheheartoftexas
Here's something to think about....A&M rankings at end of season....this is our history. We have a VERY poor basketball history...and a fanbase that doesn't seem to realize men's bball is a sport....The fact you guys care puts you in the upper 2% of Ags...
Season Coaches rank
1950-1951 18
1963-1964 18
1979-1980 18
2006-2007 9
2009-2010 24
2010-2011 20
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:38 pm to Intheheartoftexas
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Keep in mind he left with scathing remarks for our fanbase (IE, all of you), due to the lack of support provided to ranked teams.
The way our fanbase views Turgeon and Kennedy completely validates everything Turgeon said about us.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:43 pm to Intheheartoftexas
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Here's something to think about....
That history is irrelevant to evaluating Kennedy. BCG and Turgeon proved that you can win at A&M if you're a good coach.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:58 pm to Intheheartoftexas
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1979-1980 18
That shouldn't be possible. Sweet 16, by definition, means you're one of the top 16 teams.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 3:48 pm to NanosTacoRun
Founds this interesting. Kennedy is just behind Metcalf; and well behind Gillespie/Turg. Kennedy may have the third-best winning % of any coach we've had since '64 (despite being average compared to the win % over that period), by the end of the year. He will never catch Turg/Gillespie. But could be Metcalf+. I totally agree that he may be an excellent recruiter who isn't the best coach in terms of X's and O's. The real question is, "What level of excellence is expected of a HBC at A&M?" Once upon a time Metcalf-like performance was acceptable. I'm not sure where the expectation is now. I'd say "make the NCAA tournament consistently" seems to the bar, and Kennedy has yet to meet it....
Wins Losses Win % Coach Years Coached
438 306 58.9% Metcalf 64-90
5 7 41.7% Thornton 90
8 13 41.7% Davis 90-91
76 120 38.8% Barrone 91-98
61 112 35.3% Watkins 98-04
70 26 72.9% Gillespie 04-07
97 40 70.8% Turgeon 07-11
78 63 55.3% Kennedy 11-current
833 687 54.7% Total since '64
Wins Losses Win % Coach Years Coached
438 306 58.9% Metcalf 64-90
5 7 41.7% Thornton 90
8 13 41.7% Davis 90-91
76 120 38.8% Barrone 91-98
61 112 35.3% Watkins 98-04
70 26 72.9% Gillespie 04-07
97 40 70.8% Turgeon 07-11
78 63 55.3% Kennedy 11-current
833 687 54.7% Total since '64
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:19 pm to Intheheartoftexas
How much worse does the current melt get magnified if Kennedy shits the bet vs. Kansas State on Saturday?
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:08 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
You couldn't contain your melt to one sport or the five threads you started today?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 3:14 pm to Projectpat
K-State tomorrow at 4:30 tomorrow, SECN
Posted on 12/11/15 at 8:23 pm to Projectpat
When is the new SG (Eubanks?) eligible?
Posted on 12/11/15 at 8:38 pm to Howdyagssec
quote:Eubanks will be eligible to play next week against Baylor.
When is the new SG (Eubanks?) eligible?
Posted on 12/12/15 at 4:41 pm to ImperialPalace
11-9, Ags. 15:19 1st half.
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