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re: Texas A&M Basketball 2015-2016 - Sweet Sixteen Edition!!

Posted on 3/6/16 at 12:23 pm to
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 3/6/16 at 12:23 pm to
i dont get hangovers. i just wake up the morning still drunk depending on how much i drank. its a weird feeling
Posted by gvwheeler
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 12:53 am to
So, thoughts on the tourney seeding?

At a quick glance, I almost prefer Kentucky's draw. I'd rather play the Old Miss/Bama winner that the Ark/Fla winner (I've got an uneasy feeling about Florida). I'd also rather face SC than LSU (Hornsby's status could change that). Both Florida and LSU need a good showing to make the NCAA tourney and I prefer to avoid desperate teams, especially when they have decent talent, let alone one of the best players in the country.

It would really be nice to win a couple in the SEC tourney to help with the NCAA seeding. I saw one projection that had us as a 3 seed (too high), but many that have us at a 5 or 6 seed. What gets me is seeing teams seeded above us that have worse records and that we beat head-to-head (I guess many have a tough time seeing past the UK blue blood and the fluke technical at the end of our game).

I saw an ESPN projection that had us as a 5 seed, with a potential game two matchup with Maryland. Tough draw (MD was ranked 2nd in early Feb), but it would be pretty sweet if we bounced Turgeon from the tourney.

Oh well, current projections are a bit worthless. Tons of ball between now and selection Sunday and much will change. I'm guessing we'll come in as a 5 seed, but it would be nice to get to at least a 4. 5/12 matchups are much more unkind than 4/13 matchups.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/7/16 at 7:43 am to
I feel like the rant needs to be made aware of our championship this morning, for those that aren't in here over the weekend
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51791 posts
Posted on 3/7/16 at 8:50 am to
Nicely done, Sarge.

My earlier prediction of Maryland finally came true these last 3 weeks. They lost 4 of their last 6 included to RPI# 252.

They probably went from a 1 seed to a 3 or 4.
Posted by Chill98
Member since Aug 2015
2151 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 1:58 pm to
Any news on the recruiting front? We currently have a min. of 5 scholarship roster spots available after this year. I would think that we would use at least 2-3 of those this year.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
11113 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:10 am to
Billy Kennedy and the art of proving the doubters wrong

quote:

As Billy Kennedy finished cutting down the nets in celebration of Texas A&M’s Southeastern Conference basketball championship on Saturday, I kind of expected him to turn the crowd and flash the “No. 1” sign.

I just wasn’t sure which finger he’d use.

That’s a joke, of course. Kennedy has way too much character and is much too classy to resort to such gestures.

But could you really have blamed him if he’d addressed his detractors among the A&M fan base by asking: “How do you like me now, witches?” Or, something like that.

Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
62698 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:48 am to
Olin bringing the wood
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34911 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 10:59 am to
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That’s a joke, of course. Kennedy has way too much character and is much too classy to resort to such gestures.



I respect Kennedy a lot for being classy and surviving a lot of negative momentum early on.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:16 am to
The most dishonest part of Olin Buchanan's article is this portion:

"Billy Kennedy overcame health issues, injuries and a depleted roster to rebuild a sagging program."

The previous coach never won FEWER than 24 games in any one of his four seasons.

Not acknowledging that the "sag" in the program happened completely on Kennedy's watch makes this article nothing more than propaganda.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
11113 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:42 am to
I know we're both broken records on this point, but I have to leave my refutation. Turgeon destroyed the program that BCG built. He limped into the tournament each year, including his first season when he inherited DeAndre Jordan (among others). With all that talent and energy that BCG built up, he never got past the second round. There's no question he led the downward trajectory. He proceeded to kill our fanbase's enthusiasm with his post game hissy fits and did jack squat in terms of recruiting.

Billy took what he was handed and has improved the team every single year. The players have gushed about him the whole time and now independent media outlets are seeing the light as well. But I get it, that all pales in comparison to the need for aggy to justify their prior whining.

You and others can keep making excuses, but Kennedy's story should be reveled in by A&M fans.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
11113 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 11:53 am to
While I'm on a roll, I never heard what the Kennedy-hate excuse was for our finish to the season. When we started 17-2, it was basketball coaching doesn't even matter. Then we we had the 1-5 stretch, it was that basketball coaching matters, but only when things get tough and the coach needs to get the team focused and winning again.

Now we finished the regular season on a six game win streak, with two NCAA tournament teams included in those games. Are we back to basketball coaching doesn't matter? Or did Stansbury right the ship?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 12:22 pm to
I'm ready to eat as much humble Kennedy pie as can be served. I hope it keeps coming. I would like to continue to he wrong.
Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
11113 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 12:32 pm to
You're good people TBird
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

He limped into the tournament each year


That's revisionist history at best, completely dishonest at worst:

2007-2008: A&M started the season 14-1 in nonconference, then 5-3 in conference. After getting a must-win at Baylor (including the infamous Baptism), and losing to Kansas to finish 8-8, A&M won its first two games in the Big 12 Tournament, including a win over Michael Beasley and Kansas State before falling in the FINAL of the Big 12 Tournament to Kansas. A&M received a 9 seed and should have beaten UCLA were it not for shithead Tim Higgins.

2008-2009: A&M finished the conference season on a 7-game winning streak before that freak performance by Mike Singletary in the Big 12 tournament.

2009-2010: In what world is a 5-seed considered "limping into the tournament? That team started conference play 3-3 and finished 8-2, losing by double digits twice. Lost in overtime to a horribly underseeded Purdue team in the 2nd round with John Higgins officiating.

2010-2011: A&M started nonconference 15-1 and conference play 4-4, ending conference play 6-2. Probably the most uninspired 7-seed I've ever seen.

The only season you could possibly claim that Turgeon "limped in" to the NCAA tournament was 2009.

You can easily make the claim that Turgeon left before the mess he created showed its face, but at least get the facts straight.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 12:44 pm
Posted by agalloch
Portland, OR
Member since Jun 2015
1647 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 12:49 pm to
Yeah, our Turgeon-coached teams were solid, and ran in to some seriously bad luck in the tournament. I think it's hard to deny that he didn't recruit for shite though. We were a stepping-stone for him the whole time, which was a huge reason for Kennedy's struggles the first 2-3 years. Last year was purely health-related I think. Any reasonable person would have expected us to be in the tournament had House not gone down.
This post was edited on 3/9/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34911 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

While I'm on a roll


Good rant. You have earned it staying the course the whole time.

Posted by Projectpat
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
11113 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

You have earned it staying the course the whole time.



Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 3:05 pm to
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Could he be blamed him if he’d addressed his detractors among the A&M fan base by asking: “How do you like me now, witches?” Or, something like that.


Yes, yes he absolutely could be blamed for that. He sucked mule dick for four years and now should believe himself immune from criticism after taking top 10 talent (acquired by a member of his staff) to a 4-5 seed?

horseshite

Few things piss me off but that Olin article makes me want to punch him in the face. It's illogical sunshine pumping that casually dismisses legitimate concerns.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 3:12 pm to
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I never heard what the Kennedy-hate excuse was for our finish to the season.


We have elite talent and one of the most well rounded teams in the country. We have three all-conference players and two all-freshman team players. Five guys on this roster will be drafted someday.

The issue isn't how we finished, it's how the frick Kennedy managed to lose them midseason. We weren't exactly losing to great teams.

quote:

When we started 17-2, it was basketball coaching doesn't even matter. Then we we had the 1-5 stretch, it was that basketball coaching matters, but only when things get tough and the coach needs to get the team focused and winning again.


The thing is, you're right. Kennedy's coaching shouldn't have been bad enough to drag a team this talented down that far, and yet it happened.

This is a legit Final Four caliber team that probably will lose the first weekend.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46671 posts
Posted on 3/9/16 at 3:18 pm to
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I'm ready to eat as much humble Kennedy pie as can be served. I hope it keeps coming. I would like to continue to he wrong.


Your observations are no less true now than they ever were. At least if Kennedy had built this program on his own I could overlook coaching deficiencies. He didn't though, this is Rick Stansbury's nationally renowned recruiting and AAU skills paying off. And it looks like it will continue as Stansbury has woo'd that all world Australian guard who is expected to join our program.
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