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re: Coaching Changes Discussion - Chief locked up, what about rest?

Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:55 pm to
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 12/23/14 at 11:55 pm to
Chavis seems like the new Foster. I agree it will be Durkin
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:14 am to
Durkin is not going to wait on Harbaugh. Durkin reached out to us, Sumlin met him in Florida, really likes him, and we can pull the trigger on him at any time. Chavis smoke is the only thing we are waiting on - and Sumlin is/was skeptical of claimed Chavis interest in us, but apparently things are not going very well at LSU. Miles has a riff with the AD that is growing, and Miles and his assistants aren't on the best of terms either. Combine that with the low balled offer LSU made Chavis, and the poor terms in favor of the Athletic Department in his contract, and Sumlin can see why Chavis might want to jump ship for more money before he hangs his hat up for good. Sumlin isn't convinced that they aren't just trying to get a raise for him at LSU, but whatever Sumlin has seen was apparently enough for him to slow down on Durkin to see how this Chavis situation plays out.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:17 am to
And FWIW Liucci claims that Foster would come to college station of we offered high salary. Says his contract only has a 150k buyout that we would cover.
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:18 am to
That'd be cool
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:25 am to
And apparently Malik Jefferson would not have come here if we had hired Durkin.
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:52 am to
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And FWIW Liucci claims that Foster would come to college station of we offered high salary.
Which we didn't because...?
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And apparently Malik Jefferson would not have come here if we had hired Durkin.
So I'm expected to believe that Malik, who openly stated he was frustrated because Sumlin wouldn't give him a name, was actually being consulted on all names to the degree of being asked "would you commit for this guy? how about this guy?"

I swear to Christ if Liucci wrote that the sky was maroon half of you people would start gloating on the Internet before even looking outside.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:58 am
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:10 am to
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And apparently Malik Jefferson would not have come here if we had hired Durkin.


Malik Jefferson wouldn't have come if we had hired Will Muschamp.

Durkin has been coaching LB at Florida since 2010 and coached DE at Stanford from 2008-2009. The following Defensive players have gone to the NFL under him.


2010: Erik Lorig (7)
2013: Jonathan Bostic (2)
2013: Jelani Jenkins (4)
2014: Dominic Easley (1)
2014: Jaylen Watkins (4)
2014: Ronald Powell (5)
Posted by gvwheeler
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:21 am to
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And apparently Malik Jefferson would not have come here if we had hired Durkin.

But Malik is "committed to the school, not the coaches." I'd still love to see the kid suit up in maroon, but I've heard so many contradictory comments attributed to him and his dad that I'm not sure what is "truth." That said, some of the quotes came from Hamm, so who knows.

I found the following quote from an [link=(ESPN article)]ESPN article[/link] interesting (and it echos some of the things Tarp said): "I've got to do my research on who the guy is, what kind of defense he runs," Jefferson said. "Coach Sumlin needs to trust me enough to tell me, even if he can't say it on the record. He has to tell me something."

Hopefully, coaches will start getting named no later than the first couple days in January and Sumlin can return his focus to closing some recruits.
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:06 am to
Durkin is a good hire
Posted by aggressor
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:35 am to
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And FWIW Liucci claims that Foster would come to college station of we offered high salary.
Which we didn't because...?
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And apparently Malik Jefferson would not have come here if we had hired Durkin.
So I'm expected to believe that Malik, who openly stated he was frustrated because Sumlin wouldn't give him a name, was actually being consulted on all names to the degree of being asked "would you commit for this guy? how about this guy?"

I swear to Christ if Liucci wrote that the sky was maroon half of you people would start gloating on the Internet before even looking outside.





It would make sense that we didn't offer Foster if we thought we could get Chavis or if Sumlin liked Durkin better. Doesn't mean that is what happened but it wouldn't be that outrageous.

As for Malik, I doubt Sumlin was throwing names at him but have no doubt that recruiting services did. More than that though it is pretty clear based on what he has said and done just prior and since his commitment that it would have been very hard to pull him away from Texas as his family was going full court press. He also seemed to make excuses for the sips. Realize he didn't even come to our campus for months and the only game he went to was his OV for Missouri, it was significant that he changed from his original plan and ended up going to Texas/OU because his folks wanted to. I don't know that I have seen a set of parents quite as in love with the sips to where they pushed their kid to them like that in some time.

In the end the Malik thing looks like it was a setup as much as anything. Could Sumlin have turned it if he hired Muschamp or Chavis in a week after the season? Maybe, you can never know. To the point though he decided to go the ultimatum route with Sumlin on trying to force him to hire or commit to hiring a DC but wasn't willing to commit even if Sumlin were to do so. Sumlin would be a true fool if he made the DC hire in hopes of getting Malik without a guarantee (probably even if there was one). Malik didn't seem to understand that Sumlin could survive losing him but he could not survive making the wrong DC hire.

I don't take everything Looch says as gospel but he is right a lot more than he is wrong and he also isn't as caught up in being first as some others are to the point where he throws crap against the wall as soon as he hears it. Looch was also personal friends with Sumlin long before he was hired and is deeply connected within the Football Program and AD.

He is definitely controlling and overly sensitive but I can somewhat understand that. It has to be frustrating to work hard to get good information and insight and inevitably listen to the some of the reactions he gets. Still, he should have figured out by now just to let more stuff go.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:50 am to
Apparently that is what Malik told Brice.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 9:52 am to
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Which we didn't because...?



Because, according to BL, Sumlin is higher on Durkin than he is on Foster.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 10:43 am to
I like the lie he posted, "I've never banned anyone for disagreeing".
Posted by tmc94
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:03 am to
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Because, according to BL, Sumlin is higher on Durkin than he is on Foster.

This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 11:04 am
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 11:24 am to
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Because, according to BL, Sumlin is higher on Durkin than he is on Foster.
Well he's definitely higher on something.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:11 pm to
He said it, but he may have no clue

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Look, you want a name to make you happy. I get that. I'm here to tell you that if A&M hires Durkin, they did so knowing that they could have had guys like Pruitt, Grantham and, yes, Bud Foster
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If you can hire Foster but hire Durkin that's a failure to make the right choice.


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For you. Not for the head coach if that's what he does. One of you knows more about the situation than the other. And if Mattison comes with him? Hell, I'd put Mattison's resume up there with just about anyone including Foster.

Look, I'm a big-time Bud Foster fan and brought his name up three years ago and again this time around. The mere thought of him considering A&M was laughed off by other mods in the market and now he's everyone's darling because they're afraid the Ags might pick Durkin over him. Again, I think Bud is a badass but I can also see reasons why you go the other way. I'm perfectly fine with either and obviously love the idea of Chavis.

This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:18 pm to
Let me make this as clear as I can: When Liucci is saying that we totally could have had Foster and just passed because we liked Durkin more, he is repeating a lie. His whole schtick is that he has a great relationship with the coaching staff and the AD. This is because when they feed him a story, he runs with it verbatim and doesn't openly question it even when it is goddamn retarded just fricking think about it for one second.

Now you can argue over whether this approach is ultimately more or less beneficial to the customer than Hamm's "frick the man, damn the torpedoes, screw the bathroom stall doors, I'm breaking this scoop" approach. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. But for the love of God, man, read them critically.
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 12:23 pm
Posted by greenbastard
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 12:53 pm to
Hamm would stick his hear in a truck stop glory hole just to see if he can get some sort of scoop.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:30 pm to
Lol at Malik saying Sumlin needs to trust him when the kid cant shut his mouth about it. I'd rather miss on a recruit than tell the kid my plans and have him frick up the DC hire by flapping his gums.
Posted by aggressor
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 1:39 pm to
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Let me make this as clear as I can: When Liucci is saying that we totally could have had Foster and just passed because we liked Durkin more, he is repeating a lie. His whole schtick is that he has a great relationship with the coaching staff and the AD. This is because when they feed him a story, he runs with it verbatim and doesn't openly question it even when it is goddamn retarded just fricking think about it for one second.

Now you can argue over whether this approach is ultimately more or less beneficial to the customer than Hamm's "frick the man, damn the torpedoes, screw the bathroom stall doors, I'm breaking this scoop" approach. Both have their benefits and drawbacks. But for the love of God, man, read them critically.


Why exactly is this "a lie"? It isn't crazy to think Sumlin may prefer a Durkin (esp with Mattison) over Foster. Durkin fits with Sumlin's coaching staff and MO better than Foster. He's younger, he is a better recruiter, he is in the SEC, he was DC over a Top 10 D last season. He'a also moved around and been successful in multiple places.

I love Foster and would be thrilled with him but he has risks as well. He's been at VT forever and knows nothing else. There is no way to know if his style will translate or that he will like coaching with a "Swagcopter". He knows nothing of recruiting this area, I can't even remember the last Texas kid that even seriously considered VT.

Maybe it is a "lie", that is entirely possible. Still, it isn't some ridiculous statement to think Sumlin would prefer Durkin over Foster.
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