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re: 100% Speculative Post on Kyler
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
I will certainly grant you your first sentence.
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Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:25 pm to leoj
Not true, Sumlin Told Kyler he could play baseball in their meeting 2 days ago
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:26 pm to Old Sarge
He made it sound like he had told him no at some point after enrolling?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:28 pm to cardboardboxer
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No meltcast this week?
Nah, our contract ended after the regular season. Had a bit of a falling out with the company, unfortunately.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:28 pm to leoj
I believe Looch pointed out today that Sumlin had told the Murray's that Kyler could choose to play baseball if he wished in their meeting
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Kyle Allen left because Sumlin chose to make it about him sucking vs him being injured. He knew Kyle had an AC seperation and lied to everyone making it seem like Kyle was just playing bad instead of hurt. If Sumlin had simply said "Kyle is fighting through a tough injury" Allen woukd still be here, even given his love for Spav who is probably gone.
Agreed.
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Murray left because Sumlin made him a ton of promises then waffled throughout the year. Wanting him to give up baseball really rubbed him wrong, even after Sumlin supposedly conceded yesterday. This is among many things. And yes, Kyler is reportedly a delicate little flower who is entitled.
Agreed otra vez.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If we fire him, Sumlin woukd be lucky to get half that buyout money. He'll settle to keep his career viable.
I don't buy that.
Spreading rumors that he got bailed out of a DUI and is a drunk won't make him un-viable as a coach. All that does, especially so far after the fact, is look petty and vindictive.
Potential employers will probably have some pause, but at the end of the day they'll more than likely explain it as school trying to trump up reasons to justify a firing and get out of a buyout.
There's no physical evidence of any of this. If they had a video of him toking it up with Speedy at a gentlemen's club in New Orleans while getting a lap dance, ok. But if they had that to use on him they would have done it.
So at the end of the day they just have poo to fling on his reputation in the form of rumors, and while I don't care for him anymore myself and want him gone, that's lamesauce and it won't make for a hill of beans in getting out of his buyout.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:34 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Murray left because Sumlin made him a ton of promises then waffled throughout the year. Wanting him to give up baseball really rubbed him wrong, even after Sumlin supposedly conceded yesterday. This is among many things. And yes, Kyler is reportedly a delicate little flower who is entitled.
This isn't on Sumlin
Why isn't it obvious that Kyler was the real problem here
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Kyle Allen left because Sumlin chose to make it about him sucking vs him being injured. He knew Kyle had an AC seperation and lied to everyone making it seem like Kyle was just playing bad instead of hurt. If Sumlin had simply said "Kyle is fighting through a tough injury" Allen woukd still be here, even given his love for Spav who is probably gone.
From an emotional tie standpoint, this is probably what tore it for me. I understand coaching is a cut-throat business, with very little actual loyalty. But even if Sumlin thought that Murray was the answer over Allen, even if Sumlin felt he had to screw Allen over for the good of the program, I can't see any need to drag the young man's name through the mud. Allen didn't deserve that. It's almost as if Sumlin needed to turn public opinion against Allen to pave the way for Murray.
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Murray left because Sumlin made him a ton of promises then waffled throughout the year. Wanting him to give up baseball really rubbed him wrong, even after Sumlin supposedly conceded yesterday.
If Sumlin told Murray during recruitment that he could play baseball (which is very likely where his future $$ lies), only to then pressure him to give it up once Murray was on campus, then I can see why both Kyler and Kevin Murray wouldn't trust him.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
No, its about who is left on the board.
Again, who would even be a viable HC candidate at this point?
I doubt Herman would leave Houston this late and odds are nobody will go for another Coog coach anyway.
Morris hasn't been at SMU long enough to prove anything.
Art Briles...
he'd probably be the kind of snake that would leave Baylor high and dry but we don't need that kind of bad juju.
Kingsbury is probably a Tech lifer and has tons of red flags, one of which was running off a QB who finished 4th in Heisman voting this year over his refusal to give out a scholarship.
Tommy Tuberville would leave Cincinnati in an instant but that's more b/c of how hot his seat has become there than it would be him wanting back into the SEC.
Mike Gundy isn't leaving Okie Light unless T Boone goes insane.
Bob Stoops has his own fiefdom in Norman and has his team in the playoffs so any rumbling of him being in trouble from last year is dead.
Jimbo Fisher seems potentially gettable but its doubtful he would leave FSU so soon after the whole debacle w/LSU.
Tim DeRuyter's Fresno State teams have gotten worse each year since Derek Carr left for the NFL.
Terry Bowden is pushing 60, hasn't been in the SEC since the late 90s and has only been so so at Akron.
There are really only two guys I can see that would jump from their current teams to coach A&M at this point in time who would even be worth considering and even then they aren't the kind of hires that would give the majority of the fanbase the warm fuzzies. Lane Kiffin and Mike Leach.
Lane has been an SEC HC (albeit ever so briefly), has experience running an elite program in USC, and has been learning from Saban as his OC the last couple of years. Of course, considering he is supposedly as arrogant as Sumlin and seeing how that USC team instantly played better under Ed Ogeron once he was gone its not as if he would be some sort of slam dunk hire.
Leach has finally gotten Wazzu to turn a corner which is a very difficult thing to do. He would be an excellent fix w/the style of offense that Texas produces. Then again, he still has that Tech stench lingering over him and there is no telling how much permanent damage was done to his rep w/Texas HS coaches even though he was proven to have done nothing wrong to Adam James. He also isn't exactly the type of HC to make nice w/the BMAs.
W/only those two guys being viable candidates right now I just cannot see the A&M movers and shakers dumping him right now. QB transfers or not, to survive the kind of blowback it would cause nationally to fire an HC w/his record A&M would have to go scorched earth and wreck his professional reputation. But if you do that good luck on getting either of the only two guys who might be willing to come here b/c both damn well know the same would happen to them if they fail to produce.
Again, who would even be a viable HC candidate at this point?
I doubt Herman would leave Houston this late and odds are nobody will go for another Coog coach anyway.
Morris hasn't been at SMU long enough to prove anything.
Art Briles...
he'd probably be the kind of snake that would leave Baylor high and dry but we don't need that kind of bad juju. Kingsbury is probably a Tech lifer and has tons of red flags, one of which was running off a QB who finished 4th in Heisman voting this year over his refusal to give out a scholarship.
Tommy Tuberville would leave Cincinnati in an instant but that's more b/c of how hot his seat has become there than it would be him wanting back into the SEC.
Mike Gundy isn't leaving Okie Light unless T Boone goes insane.
Bob Stoops has his own fiefdom in Norman and has his team in the playoffs so any rumbling of him being in trouble from last year is dead.
Jimbo Fisher seems potentially gettable but its doubtful he would leave FSU so soon after the whole debacle w/LSU.
Tim DeRuyter's Fresno State teams have gotten worse each year since Derek Carr left for the NFL.
Terry Bowden is pushing 60, hasn't been in the SEC since the late 90s and has only been so so at Akron.
There are really only two guys I can see that would jump from their current teams to coach A&M at this point in time who would even be worth considering and even then they aren't the kind of hires that would give the majority of the fanbase the warm fuzzies. Lane Kiffin and Mike Leach.
Lane has been an SEC HC (albeit ever so briefly), has experience running an elite program in USC, and has been learning from Saban as his OC the last couple of years. Of course, considering he is supposedly as arrogant as Sumlin and seeing how that USC team instantly played better under Ed Ogeron once he was gone its not as if he would be some sort of slam dunk hire.
Leach has finally gotten Wazzu to turn a corner which is a very difficult thing to do. He would be an excellent fix w/the style of offense that Texas produces. Then again, he still has that Tech stench lingering over him and there is no telling how much permanent damage was done to his rep w/Texas HS coaches even though he was proven to have done nothing wrong to Adam James. He also isn't exactly the type of HC to make nice w/the BMAs.
W/only those two guys being viable candidates right now I just cannot see the A&M movers and shakers dumping him right now. QB transfers or not, to survive the kind of blowback it would cause nationally to fire an HC w/his record A&M would have to go scorched earth and wreck his professional reputation. But if you do that good luck on getting either of the only two guys who might be willing to come here b/c both damn well know the same would happen to them if they fail to produce.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:38 pm to Dr RC
Suck it Gus Malzhan!!!
But on the real doe, I hope he ends up going out of state. Sumlin is a real dumbass for not including Texas or OU. They compete with us for recruits and if he explodes and helps them win, we are fricked!
But on the real doe, I hope he ends up going out of state. Sumlin is a real dumbass for not including Texas or OU. They compete with us for recruits and if he explodes and helps them win, we are fricked!
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:39 pm to Old Sarge
Promises that couldn't have been kept should not have been made. That was incredibly stupid. Are the Murray's dumb/immature for demanding those promises? Yes. Is Sumlin an idiot for granting them? Yes. Blame doesn't have to fall on one party here
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Nah, our contract ended after the regular season. Had a bit of a falling out with the company, unfortunately.
fricking shite, I hate to hear that Tbird.
frick that made me more pissed than anything! I loved the podcast!
You and Oscar did great work. I hope you get another shot at doing that.
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:40 pm to Dr RC
Your post is a reasonable one. I hope we don't nuke him without something lined up.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:41 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Agreed, the blame is split on Murray. Allen was all Sumlin.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:42 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Nah, our contract ended after the regular season. Had a bit of a falling out with the company, unfortunately.
frick the company! Just record your show and put it on a public hosting site.
We need a voice of reason as we weather the storm.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:45 pm to Old Sarge
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This isn't on Sumlin
Why isn't it obvious that Kyler was the real problem here
If Sumlin made a promise during recruiting, and then tried to go back on that promise during the season, then yes, that IS on him.
And I can understand that Kyler may be "entitled". But even "entitled" people can have legitimate grievances. And if Sumlin only just now offered a concession, after the entire regular season has played out, why should Kyler trust him? Would you?
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:45 pm to Dr RC
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Herman would leave Houston this late and odds are nobody will go for another Coog coach anyway.
I think Herman would give it serious consideration but I kind of agree with you on the second part
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Morris hasn't been at SMU long enough to prove anything.
Agreed
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Briles
Not leaving Baylor IMO
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Gundy
Probably couldn't get him but I would take him
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Stoops and Fisher
Could not get them IMO
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Kingsbury DeRuyter Bowden Tuberville
I would no shite stop following A&M football and you should not have listed them
Narduzzi at Pitt is one other name I would throw out there that interests me. He has no TX ties but could hire a staff with them. He was pretty interested in our DC job when Sumlin was hired and would leave Pitt without a doubt IMO. We might not be keeping Chief in this scenario though since he's a defensive guy.
Kyle Whittingham is the other guy I would be interested in. No TX ties again but a staff can fix that.
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:46 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
But yeah lining up a successor would not be easy
Posted on 12/17/15 at 4:47 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
What about Les Miles?
This post was edited on 12/17/15 at 4:47 pm
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