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re: James Simon commits to TX
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:45 pm to Hot Carl
Posted on 6/6/24 at 12:45 pm to Hot Carl
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When this '25 class is getting most of the work, what's your ideal usage if we took your 3 favorites from this class?
There is plenty to go around IMO, give Berry 15 touches, Simon 10 and Lindsey 7
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Posted on 6/6/24 at 1:10 pm to Hot Carl
Carl it’s easy for me to say change his position, when it could cost lsu his commitment if that is not something he is open to.
He’s small tho. You’re looking at a split carry back. Which is fine & useful, especially if deployed in the correct manner. Is that more valuable than a full game of snaps at WR or CB from a guy with his type of athleticism?
He’s small tho. You’re looking at a split carry back. Which is fine & useful, especially if deployed in the correct manner. Is that more valuable than a full game of snaps at WR or CB from a guy with his type of athleticism?
Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:27 pm to Lester Earl
The closest thing we've had to a "carry the load" back in the last 5 seasons here was TDP back in 2021. He had 211 carries in 12 games. That's still less than 18 carries a game.
We are always going to spread the ball around to backs and have no real need for any back to carry the ball 20-25 times a game anymore. It's not Les Miles offenses here.
We are always going to spread the ball around to backs and have no real need for any back to carry the ball 20-25 times a game anymore. It's not Les Miles offenses here.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 2:28 pm to GeauxLSU4
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Simon is a very good player but he’s closer to his ceiling than the other two.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but where do y’all come up with this shite?
How on earth would you know what his ceiling is compared to where he is right now? Do you train him? Work out with him?
Just curious… sometimes it feels like y’all just pick a cliche that justifies how you feel about a particular player and roll with it.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:11 pm to thunderbird1100
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We are always going to spread the ball around to backs and have no real need for any back to carry the ball 20-25 times a game anymore.
Who implied that was a need
Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:23 pm to Lester Earl
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Who implied that was a need
Its been your whole reason why we should take Simon over either Berry or Lindsey
"He can carry the rock a bunch more" basically
It's kind of a pointless thing in today's CFB even if it is true
Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:27 pm to thunderbird1100
Most teams play off of a primary back. No one said that RB had to get 25 carries a game
And this shite is getting to a point where I don’t even feel like correcting it anymore. But I never said this shite. I’d rather have all 3 of them
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why we should take Simon over either Berry or Lindsey
And this shite is getting to a point where I don’t even feel like correcting it anymore. But I never said this shite. I’d rather have all 3 of them
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 3:42 pm to Lester Earl
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Most teams play off of a primary back. No one said that RB had to get 25 carries a game
What makes Berry not able to be said primary back?
If size has anything to do with it I'll happily show you what Devon Achane did to us 2 seasons ago and he was 170 something in high school.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:07 pm to thunderbird1100
Don't bring Achane up...uggh. Achane and that OLine carved us up that year.
As much as I don't care for Ryan Clark's shtick, I think he pretty much nailed Berry's early future. 10-12 touches per game in various ways (running, receiving, returns). He's an all-purpose back in my mind and apparently Clark's too.
He's a game changer with the ball in his hands and will have a lot of All-Purpose yards if used correctly.
As much as I don't care for Ryan Clark's shtick, I think he pretty much nailed Berry's early future. 10-12 touches per game in various ways (running, receiving, returns). He's an all-purpose back in my mind and apparently Clark's too.
He's a game changer with the ball in his hands and will have a lot of All-Purpose yards if used correctly.
This post was edited on 6/6/24 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:13 pm to Lester Earl
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Carl it’s easy for me to say change his position, when it could cost lsu his commitment if that is not something he is open to.
Oh, I get it. Got to get him to campus 1st. And I was asking for your perfect world scenario. RBs and QBs are the stars on their teams from Pee Wee through high school. A lot few, but a lot less in college. Even fewer in the NFL. But if LSU thinks it's in both its best interest and HIS to switch to WR, I think there is plenty of data that could potentially persuade him.
Longer career, more money, more endorsements, more roster spots, more WRs on the field, etc...it's a lot better to be a great NFL WR than it is a great NFL RB. Better to be a pretty good NFL WR than a pretty good NFL RB. But he's not Jefferson or Chase. I think they would need to find him a couple of NFL WR comps his size they could point to. But they may actually love their WR room by then and prefer him being the change of pace back and get him 8-12 touches a game to compliment one of the bigger ones. Or maybe he's Clyde. But I tend to agree with you. He's too explosive to only be on the field for 20 plays a game. Would provide more value in the slot, even if he got less touches there than he would as the #2 RB. Just having to be accounted for would help open things up.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:36 pm to Hot Carl
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think they would need to find him a couple of NFL WR comps his size they could point to.
There are a lot more 5’10 182 WRs than RBs.
I hate comparing players to outliers. There’s always an outlier for every build. I have trouble leaning on that.
No doubt he can impact the game at RB. To what extent of touches, we will see.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:39 pm to TheRouxGuru
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where do y’all come up with this shite?
I don’t know how to say this without sounding condescending but watching all three on film and seeing Berry and Simon in person, it’s pretty clear to me Simon is already very polished as a high school runner and impressive to see how he physical he runs. However, his athletic profile is not the same as Lindsey or Berry which will limit his potential ceiling compared to theirs in my opinion. That doesn't mean the other two will be better, I just believe they have the potential to be. I don't think either have scratched the surface yet on their potential. Berry is a freak and stands alone, but Lindsey has a chance to make a huge leap in college. No one even knew who he was a year ago at this time. Guys like that can be late bloomers and his track times verify his boom potential to me.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 4:47 pm to Lester Earl
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There are a lot more 5’10 182 WRs than RBs.
yea because he's going to stay the same size the next 5 years
5 of the best Rbs in the NFL weigh between 190-210
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:00 pm to Midtiger farm
Naturally he will have to get bigger
But I’m reading a thread from December and people are talmbout he’s 190-195 but just very recently weighed 182.
People already putting ghost pounds on him.
Gaining weight is easy. But gaining weight & retaining your speed & explosiveness & lateral movement is what becomes the down fall of a lot of guys.
But I’m reading a thread from December and people are talmbout he’s 190-195 but just very recently weighed 182.
People already putting ghost pounds on him.
Gaining weight is easy. But gaining weight & retaining your speed & explosiveness & lateral movement is what becomes the down fall of a lot of guys.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:20 pm to Midtiger farm
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5 of the best Rbs in the NFL weigh between 190-210
That’s a large range
Achane @ 188 is in the 3% tile of weight by RB
Mccaffery @ 202 is 20% tile
Kamara @ 214 is 52% tile
It will be a struggle for Berry to get over 200.
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:22 pm to Lester Earl
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Gaining weight is easy. But gaining weight & retaining your speed & explosiveness & lateral movement is what becomes the down fall of a lot of guys.
he'll be as big as James Cook after 8# - I'm sure that weight will ruin his athleticism
You literally don't watch football if you think you have to be 215# to be a successful RB
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:27 pm to Midtiger farm
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You literally don't watch football if you think you have to be 215# to be a successful RB
Who said that
Posted on 6/6/24 at 5:56 pm to Lester Earl
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Who said that
That’s what you are implying
“Oh he only weighs 182 so he can’t carry the ball enough to efffect the game”
“But if gains weight he won’t be able to keep his speed and athleticism”
“Should be a slot receiver because 182 is what they weigh and he’s 182 at 17 years old”
Posted on 6/6/24 at 6:14 pm to Midtiger farm
i cant tell if you are trying to frick with me or not. I didnt say any of those things
Posted on 6/6/24 at 6:27 pm to Midtiger farm
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That’s what you are implying
“Oh he only weighs 182 so he can’t carry the ball enough to efffect the game”
“But if gains weight he won’t be able to keep his speed and athleticism”
“Should be a slot receiver because 182 is what they weigh and he’s 182 at 17 years old”
That's not what he's saying, or even implying, at all. I'm picking up what you're putting down, Les.
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