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re: Florida and Georgia 2019 Cornerback Recruiting
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:10 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
Posted on 11/19/18 at 1:10 pm to BloodSweat&Beers
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All UGA IMO.
I honeslty haven't seen any of our "insiders" predict that he is definitely coming to us or that we definitely lead....but that we are definitely in it. Only time will tell, but I think you are right. If he isn't coming in for visits it would be concerning. I don't know when the last time he has been to Georgia either.
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 2:10 pm to DawgsLife
Why do you keep putting insiders in quotations?
And I’ve definitely seen comments that we lead.
And I’ve definitely seen comments that we lead.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 3:33 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Why do you keep putting insiders in quotations?
because I don't really know what makes them insiders. An insider is someone that has a connection to the team...as in coach, player, trainer, team doctor.
Not a reporter that follows the team and calls up a recruit for a quote.
Kids tell reporters all kinds of things. Sometimes the kid is playing the game and jerking their chain and sometimes the kid tells a reporter what he thinks they want to hear.
quote:Chance are I have to and just don't remember it specifically. I would rather say I have not seen it than say I have and be wrong. If you say you have seen it, then i'm sure you have and probably I have too, but with so many recruits out there I know I get some of them mixed up.
And I’ve definitely seen comments that we lead.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:09 pm to DawgsLife
I guess for me, if someone is right over 90-95% of the time, they can get the insider status. And ours are always pretty good. Whether it's someone like Americus, or Bulldog Bog, those guys have been consistently accurate, and if they're ever wrong, they own up to it and explain why.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:29 pm to Dawgsontop34
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I guess for me, if someone is right over 90-95% of the time, they can get the insider status.
And everybody would agree with your definition and tell me I am wrong. but I can only speak for what I consider an insider...which is why I place insider in quotes. however, it is not something that means a lot to me,. If it bothers you I can quit.
I guess my take is that somebody can get their information from a variety of sources and make an informed guess....and be right most of the time. Its just....for me....insider insinuates someone within the program. That's my only sticking point, I guess. but, as I said...if it bothers you I will stop putting it in quotation marks. No big deal.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:47 pm to DawgsLife
Do you put quotes on Americus as an insider?
Posted on 11/19/18 at 4:55 pm to meansonny
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Do you put quotes on Americus as an insider?
I put quotes on the word "Insider" when referring to people who are not inside the program. If you ask Americus, he will tell you he is not an insider, so i think he and I agree with the definition as a whole. He probably does consider insiders as anyone who has sources inside a program, though.....just guessing.
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By the way...when I do that, it is not meant as a sign of disrespect. just that I don't really agree with the modern definition of the word as it is used in college football today.
Here is the definition, fwiw:
in·sid·er
[in'sid?r]
NOUN
a person within a group or organization, especially someone privy to information unavailable to others.
Key words for me is "within a group or organization."
I have no problem with y'all considering them insiders...it's just that I have a different look at it.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted on 11/19/18 at 5:27 pm to DawgsLife
Holy shite... I thought I got into some semantic arguments on the boards... 
Dawgs lead... things could change... crootin' is crootin'... the end...
Dawgs lead... things could change... crootin' is crootin'... the end...
Posted on 11/20/18 at 6:51 am to fibonaccisquared
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Holy shite... I thought I got into some semantic arguments on the boards...
I didn't mean i as an argument. You asked, so I wanted to explain my reasoning. then he came in and questioned me again, so I tried to be more clear about my stance. I took them as honest questions, and answered them accordingly. I took no offense to the questions and did not mean to sound confrontational at all.
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Also, I was a communications major n college (Radio and Television) so I do tend to put more stock into words and meanings. Did not mean to sound upset or confrontational at all.
This post was edited on 11/20/18 at 6:54 am
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:27 am to DawgsLife
Don’t mean to interrupt the argument
But Florida’s 247 said that coming off the visit to UGA was the first time they’ve heard that Georgia may be moving into the lead for Elam, and that he likes that Kirby has a defensive (and DB specifically) background. Obviously, Florida will get him back on campus at some point though and the lead isn’t so big that Florida is out of it. It’s going to come down to the wire. Anybody know if he signs in December or in February? The discussion may not even matter right now if he still has a couple of months to decide.
But Florida’s 247 said that coming off the visit to UGA was the first time they’ve heard that Georgia may be moving into the lead for Elam, and that he likes that Kirby has a defensive (and DB specifically) background. Obviously, Florida will get him back on campus at some point though and the lead isn’t so big that Florida is out of it. It’s going to come down to the wire. Anybody know if he signs in December or in February? The discussion may not even matter right now if he still has a couple of months to decide.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 7:48 am to atlgator
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Don’t mean to interrupt the argument
But Florida’s 247 said that coming off the visit to UGA was the first time they’ve heard that Georgia may be moving into the lead for Elam, and that he likes that Kirby has a defensive (and DB specifically) background. Obviously, Florida will get him back on campus at some point though and the lead isn’t so big that Florida is out of it. It’s going to come down to the wire. Anybody know if he signs in December or in February? The discussion may not even matter right now if he still has a couple of months to decide.
According to 247, he does not have EE track or planning to sign in December.
His dad and uncle have been through this process before. I bet Elam takes his time. There is no rush for him. All 3 schools will hold a spot for him.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:06 am to BloodSweat&Beers
Four out of five of UGAs DB targets will sign and be done in December. Elam will be one of 5 or less guys remaining on the 2019 target list for February and the only DB.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 8:59 am to DawgsLife
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I didn't mean i as an argument. You asked, so I wanted to explain my reasoning. then he came in and questioned me again, so I tried to be more clear about my stance. I took them as honest questions, and answered them accordingly. I took no offense to the questions and did not mean to sound confrontational at all.
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Also, I was a communications major n college (Radio and Television) so I do tend to put more stock into words and meanings. Did not mean to sound upset or confrontational at all.
No, I wasn't involved in the discussion/argument at that point, so not sure who asked you... I was being serious... I will get into some ridiculously semantic discussions over the meaning/choice of words. This one just took a weird turn when the word in question wasn't inherently related to the original discussion.
Just thought it was funny. You're all good DL. no worries.
Posted on 11/20/18 at 9:04 am to atlgator
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The discussion may not even matter right now if he still has a couple of months to decide.
It's always interesting to get another teams viewpoint. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:16 am to atlgator
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But Florida’s 247 said that coming off the visit to UGA was the first time they’ve heard that Georgia may be moving into the lead for Elam,
See, this is the circular bullshite that drives me crazy with recruiting coverage.
UGA and UF staffs both feel good, beats on both sides say they feel good.
Elam visits UGA, doesn't talk to any media or commit to a coach, UGA beats claim they now lead, because...well that's just the shite you do when your entire job is lying about how much you know about high schoolers. Now every other school's beats have to react to the UGA beats, and all of a sudden "there's smoke around Elam and UGA".
How about some actual news: Elam visited UGA because he's considering the program. He wouldn't visit if he wasn't interested. No need for speculation or prognostication. He visited and didn't commit - the end. He will keep considering them. UGA will keep recruiting him. Literally nothing changed.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:03 am to Muthsera
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How about some actual news: Elam visited UGA because he's considering the program. He wouldn't visit if he wasn't interested. No need for speculation or prognostication. He visited and didn't commit - the end. He will keep considering them. UGA will keep recruiting him. Literally nothing changed.
I get what you are saying and to a certain degree agree with you. but....couldn't the same be said about Florida beat writers saying Florida is in the lead? I mean, you take offense because Georgia beat writers are saying we are now in the lead, but your objection comes because Florida beat writers said Florida was in the lead.
And the Florida poster just said that the Florida beat writers are now saying Georgia might be in the lead. I doubt they are saying that to make their readers happy.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:56 am to Muthsera
Believe what you want bud. No one here is trying to change your mind. UGA insiders have claimed a lead for Elam since well prior to the most recent visit. You can either dismiss that and all insider opinions... And wait until commitment/signing... Or you can take it all with a grain of salt... Both UF and UGA insider views.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:09 am to NCDawg52
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Four out of five of UGAs DB targets will sign and be done in December. Elam will be one of 5 or less guys remaining on the 2019 target list for February and the only DB.
That is an interesting factor. UF will only have 2 DB targets that will have signed early. I would consider Elam a guy that UF will find space for if there is a numbers issues.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 9:29 am to BloodSweat&Beers
The roster management number for DBs is four for UGA this cycle. DJ Daniel is a Juco with two to play two, so that’s why UGA wont have a problem taking a “fifth”.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 5:53 pm to DawgsLife
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couldn't the same be said about Florida beat writers saying Florida is in the lead?
To my knowledge, none of the Florida beats have claimed he had a leader, just that UF coaches feel confident. As I said, the family is being very deliberate and aren't talking.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if he goes to UGA or OSU - he's shown major interest in both. I just take offense to the recruiting media's outright fake info and the speed with which it spreads.
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