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Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:49 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:49 am to Crowknowsbest
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He's pretty damn good
never said he wasn't good. But there are more than 9 HS football players in the United States that are better at football than he is.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:50 am to TideSaint
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Final Rivals Class of 2017 Rankings Discussion Thread
why discuss Rivals? Isn't it pretty much universally accepted that 247 is the standard in the industry?
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This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:50 am to WG_Dawg
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never said he wasn't good. But there are more than 9 HS football players in the United States that are better at football than he is.
Probably, but this is a projection. He's got big time tools to develop
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:55 am to Crowknowsbest
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Isn't it pretty much universally accepted that 247 is the standard in the industry?
Who came to this decision? A bunch of fanboys on message boards. There is no standard when it comes to recruiting. It's all guesswork. They're all similar in a lot of ways.
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Probably, but this is a projection. He's got big time tools to develop
Exactly right! Recruiting is about projecting how good they will be at the next level. It's not about what they did in high school, although that is a part of it. Look no further than David Marshall. All recruiting services missed on him, and he was damn good as a true freshman at UGA.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:57 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:57 am to HTDawg
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This is it. The last Rivals100 rankings update for the 2017 recruiting class has been released, and with it there are six new five-star prospects and two players who lost their fifth star right before the finish line.
And, for the first time since 2009, a running back finished No. 1 overall in the country as Najee Harris from Antioch (Calif.) Antioch Senior held on despite a strong push from uncommitted defensive tackle Marvin Wilson and Florida State running back commit Cam Akers.
Bryce Brown was the last running back to finish No. 1 overall back in 2009 when he edged out Rueben Randle for the honor after an amazing week at the U.S. Army All American Bowl.
Prior to that, in 2004, Adrian Peterson was No. 1 overall, so the results for running backs at the top has been a bit mixed.
Harris, an Alabama commitment, has a rare combination of size, speed and elusiveness and is the best running back I’ve scouted since Peterson. While Peterson was a more physical runner and more of a sure thing in my mind, Harris has better natural receiving skills and is well-rounded like Brown was. It will be interesting to see if he blossoms in college like Peterson did or struggles to gain consistency like Brown. Those are the inherent risks of having a running back at the top, but this year we felt Harris was worth the risk.
Wilson and Akers, a Florida State commitment, made a push, while there was a brief discussion regarding the nation's No. 4 prospect, offensive tackle Alex Leatherwoodfrom Pensacola (Fla.) Washington, who's also an Alabama commitment. The top five is rounded out by Bradenton (Fla.) IMG Academy defensive end Josh Kaindoh, another Florida State commitment.
Rounding out the top 10 is No. 6 Jaelan Phillips from Redlands (Calif.) East Valley (UCLA defensive end commitment), No. 7 Walker Little also from Houston (Texas) Episcopal (Stanford offensive tackle commitment), No. 8 Chase Young from Hyattsville (Md.) DeMatha (Ohio State defensive end commitment), No. 9 Baron Browning from Kennedale, Texas (Ohio State linebacker commitment) and No. 10 Davis Mills from Norcross (Ga.) Greater Atlanta Christian (Stanford quarterback commitment).
Alabama, FSU, Stanford and Ohio State all boast two verbal commitments from prospects ranked in the top 10. In addition to Young, the new five-stars in this cycle include Georgia quarterback commitment Jake Fromm from Warner Robins (Ga.) Houston County at No. 20, FSU running back commitment Khalan Laborn from Virginia Beach (Va.) Bishop Sullivan at No. 23, Oklahoma linebacker commitment Jacob Phillips from Hendersonville (Tenn.) Beech Senior at No. 29, Iowa defensive end commitment A.J. Epenesa from Edwardsville, Iowa at No. 30 and Alabama linebacker commitment Dylan Moses from Bradenton (Fla.) IMG at No. 32.
The two players who dropped a fifth star are Los Angeles (Calif.) Augustus Hawkins wide receiver Joseph Lewis, who fell to No. 50, and Miamisburg, Ohio offensive lineman and Ohio State commitment Josh Myers, who moved from tackle to guard and checked in at No. 55.
Here’s a breakdown of the new five-stars and the two that lost their fifth star from the Rivals.com regional analysts.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 11:58 am to HTDawg
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Who came to this decision? A bunch of fanboys on message boards
Common sense says a composite of all of the rankings will be more accurate than any one.
Hence, 247's composite rankings are the standard.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:06 pm to HTDawg
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Who came to this decision? A bunch of fanboys on message boards. There is no standard when it comes to recruiting. It's all guesswork. They're all similar in a lot of ways.
This is exactly why you should support 247. As you said there is no standard so combining recruiting sites like 247 does, is going to improve the recruiting industry
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:07 pm to rockiee
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:22 pm to bamasgot13
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Isn't it pretty much universally accepted that 247 is the standard in the industry?
Their composite is, and rivals is part of that.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:40 pm to djsdawg
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So glad we got rid of richt. He chose against offering new 5 star Jake Fromm.
Well, we had Bailey Hockman who's pretty good committed at the time so I can't completely fault him.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:47 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
You should fault him. Picking that guy over Fromm showed poor judgement from the start. Just like not offering Deshaun Watson so long.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:09 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Targeting Hockman over Fromm was a poor evaluation from the previous staff. I know a lot of people were high on him early on, but his HS performance was less than stellar after he committed and he dropped like a stone in the rankings. I'd have been good with taking both Hockman and Fromm, but if I can only have 1, I'll take Fromm 10 out of 10 times.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:33 pm to rockiee
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so combining recruiting sites like 247 does
I've go to be honest. That sounds like 247 is allowing other services to do their work for them.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:35 pm to crispyUGA
Trey Smith was a mover? He got continually beat at the allstar game. How is that possible?
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:42 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Well, we had Bailey Hockman who's pretty good committed at the time so I can't completely fault him.
Hockman is nowhere near Fromm. Hockman is another Brice Ramsey/Jacob Park in my opinion.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:48 pm to HTDawg
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Final Rivals Class of 2017 Rankings Discussion Thread by HTDawg
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so combining recruiting sites like 247 does
I've go to be honest. That sounds like 247 is allowing other services to do their work for them.
247 also does their own rankings just like the others do.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:09 pm to HTDawg
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I've go to be honest. That sounds like 247 is allowing other services to do their work for them.
247 does their own rankings, but using the composite was a stroke of brilliance. it makes it to the point that you don't have to use the other sites for rankings b/c you see the average on the composite and it increases their page views, impressions, and $$
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:14 pm to HTDawg
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Hockman is nowhere near Fromm.
bullshite. Hockman may even have more physical talents than Fromm. Fromm kills him with his leadership abilities though.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:36 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Hockman may even have more physical talents than Fromm.
You can't be serious with this. I hope you aren't because this is just so wrong.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:55 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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Hockman may even have more physical talents than Fromm.
If getting suspended from a team your Dad is Head Coach of is a physical talent... Then yes.
But if you look at their tape side by side and feel that way... I feel bad for you.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 3:57 pm
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