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re: D1 recruiting dead period extended until January 1
Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:22 am to TidalSurge1
Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:22 am to TidalSurge1
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What problems does the extended dead period create only for them, that it doesn't create for more highly sought recruits?
They have significantly less leverage and wider variance in the quality of coaching and opportunities, along with already losing a valuable chance to upgrade their opportunities with no in-person game evaluations.
There are also a lot more less sought-after players from a pure quantity perspective.
If a 5* doesn’t want to sign, he doesn’t have to. That decision is way more complicated for a low 3*, but the impact on their life is no less significant.
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Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:30 am to Crowknowsbest
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They have significantly less leverage and wider variance in the quality of coaching and opportunities,
That's true without an extended Dead Period.
quote:It's arguable that film review is more valuable for evaluations.
along with already losing a valuable chance to upgrade their opportunities with no in-person game evaluations
quote:That's true without an extended Dead Period.
There are also a lot more less sought-after players from a pure quantity perspective.
If a 5* doesn’t want to sign, he doesn’t have to. That decision is way more complicated for a low 3*, but the impact on their life is no less significant.
Unfortunately, football programs and recruits have to do their shopping primarily online this cycle (due to the pandemic triggering the NCAA's extended Dead Period). It's hardly ideal, but it seems to be working out pretty well so far.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:34 am to TidalSurge1
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Unfortunately, football programs and recruits have to do their shopping online this cycle due to the pandemic triggering the NCAA's extended Dead Period.
... and I am in favor of reasonable measures to add an in-person element of their shopping experience. It’s still not clear to me what significant problems that causes that haven’t been dealt with before.
It’s also easy to say it’s working out well from a 3rd party perspective and before an avalanche of transfers next winter.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 11:35 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:46 am to TidalSurge1
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It's hardly ideal, but it seems to be working out pretty well so far.
You are just looking at the top blue chippers. It is a much bigger mess for the other kids.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 11:56 am to tigerskin
quote:No, I'm not doing that.
You are just looking at the top blue chippers
quote:Nah. That's not true either.
It is a much bigger mess for the other kids.
Well, the Dead Period goes on. So, the schools and recruits have to adapt to virtual recruiting means and make their recruiting decisions based on it. Fans complaining about that situation isn't going to change it.
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 7:43 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 12:13 pm to Crowknowsbest
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... and I am in favor of reasonable measures to add an in-person element of their shopping experience. It’s still not clear to me what significant problems that causes that haven’t been dealt with before.
It does seem odd. The players can practice and play games but recruits can't meet with the coaches or tour the facilities? Touring the facilities, to me is the big issue. I would think they would want to see the dressing rooms, weight lifting rooms, dorms etc.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 12:15 pm to DawgsLife
CFB recruiting is "odd" this cycle compared to normal without a pandemic. There are viable workarounds for the extended Dead Period. Virtual tours of campuses, academic and athletic programs, facilities, etc. are examples. Coaching staffs and recruits can still narrow things down and the kids can still visit finalist campuses before committing or signing. It's not in-person recruiting, but it's a viable alternative instituted to protect health during a pandemic. It is what it is.
This post was edited on 9/23/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 12:28 pm to TidalSurge1
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CFB recruiting is "odd" this cycle compared to normal without a pandemic.
No doubt.
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There are viable workarounds for the extended Dead Period. Virtual tours are one example.
For me it's not the same. But you have to do what you have to do.
And they can meet with the coaches via ZOOM, or other means.
I don't know. For me it just seems odd how this is being handled with games being played but recruits can't meet the coaches and tour facilities. A lot of kids are going to miss out on a once in a lifetime experience because of Corona, but like you said....it is what it is.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 1:11 pm to DawgsLife
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A lot of kids are going to miss out on a once in a lifetime experience because of Corona, but like you said....it is what it is.
A lot of people are missing out on the rest of their lives or the lives of loved ones because of Corona. Compared to that, having to do the CFB recruiting process virtually just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 7:46 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 2:00 pm to tigerskin
Kirby rule.
Effort to stop Kirby from getting everyone's recruits.
Effort to stop Kirby from getting everyone's recruits.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:39 pm to TidalSurge1
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Compared to that, having to do the CFB recruiting process virtually just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
It’s not just the recruiting process though. In a lot of cases, their actual college destination will be different than what it would have been otherwise.
Why would we intentionally limit their ability to make an informed decision? This was also my problem with the early signing day, which I still think is unfair in the first place.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 5:48 pm to Crowknowsbest
Early signing period should be scrapped this season.
Let the early enrollees enroll just like before.
I don't like the rights that the players give up with the LOI.
Of course, with open season on transfers... the LOI is all but irrelevant now anyway.
Let the early enrollees enroll just like before.
I don't like the rights that the players give up with the LOI.
Of course, with open season on transfers... the LOI is all but irrelevant now anyway.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 6:55 pm to TidalSurge1
Eliminating the early signing day also doesn't stop those kids from enrolling in January. No LOI is required to start college. What I'm getting at is, what's the sense arguing when neither of your arguments matter at all except to kids not enrolling early? The only difference an early signing period has is the non early enrollees kids can sign and not be recruited any longer. That's the only issue coaches care about. ESD was never instituted with the kids in mind. It was all about the coaches not having to stress the kids that sign any longer.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 7:55 pm to lsufanva
Participation in the Dec early signing period is 100% OPTIONAL. There is no valid need or reason whatsoever to eliminate that option for kids who want to sign early. A lot of kids and their parents are 100% sure by then and they've grown weary of the recruiting process and just want to end it.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:03 pm to TidalSurge1
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A lot of people have missed out the rest of their lives or the lives of loved ones because of Corona. Compared to that, having to do the CFB recruiting process virtually just doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Sure it doesn't. But you have never played football at that level and you aren't 18. They have literally worked year round on getting this far for the last 4-5 years. When you are 18, you aren't thinking about all of the Ethiopians who are starving, or people who have died due to Corona Virus.
We think about it now, but we didn't when we were 18.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:16 pm to DawgsLife
You have zero knowledge of my football career or what I thought about when I was 18. I know there are recruits who've lost or nearly lost dearly loved family members to Covid-19. Tbh, I can't even tell what point(s) you're trying to make with that post.
If missing out on official visits is among the biggest disappointments these kids are facing, they're living very blessed lives right now. They have to go through the recruiting process virtually to determine where they'll get a free college education, including room & board, healthcare, stipends, tutoring, etc., in exchange for playing a game they love. They're not starving or dying in some refugee camp.
Imo, the complaining itt about the extended dead period and early signing period is invalid and reeks of unjustified whining. What I've read about the dead period extension(s) indicated that a big majority of college coaches support it. Iirc, the same is true for the Dec ESP.
If missing out on official visits is among the biggest disappointments these kids are facing, they're living very blessed lives right now. They have to go through the recruiting process virtually to determine where they'll get a free college education, including room & board, healthcare, stipends, tutoring, etc., in exchange for playing a game they love. They're not starving or dying in some refugee camp.
Imo, the complaining itt about the extended dead period and early signing period is invalid and reeks of unjustified whining. What I've read about the dead period extension(s) indicated that a big majority of college coaches support it. Iirc, the same is true for the Dec ESP.
This post was edited on 9/17/20 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 5:39 am to TidalSurge1
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You have zero knowledge of my football career or what I thought about when I was 18.
Okay. I was just projecting based on odds. Nothing to get upset about.
Straighten me out. Did you play SEC football?
Were your plans to go to the Peace Corps and work with the less fortunate when you were 18?
Simple questions.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 5:49 am to TidalSurge1
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Participation in the Dec early signing period is 100% OPTIONAL.
Not really for a lot of people.
The 100% done with recruiting kids can stop answering the phone. Again, I’m willing to live with this minor inconvenience.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 6:20 am to Crowknowsbest
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The 100% done with recruiting kids can stop answering the phone
This. Coaches dont want to waste their time, either. A kid can make it perfectly clear that a coach should stop calling.
The issue with the early signing period is that the kid gives up his rights. Rights that might seem important after a coach or two leaves. Rights that might seem important after rosters change. Rights that might seem important after actually visiting campus. Rights that might actually seem important after an illness to a family member. I dont see the need by fans to rush kids (17 and 18) out of their rights. And pushing back the early signing period would probably hurt my team based upon the last couple of seasons.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 7:38 am to DawgsLife
quote:I wasn't upset. I merely pointed out that your assumptions about me, stated as tho they were facts, were foolish.
Okay. I was just projecting based on odds. Nothing to get upset about.
quote:OK
Straighten me out.
quote:No, but I was actively recruited by D1 schools including SEC until I suffered a career-ending neck injury during my senior HS season. Adversity happens. I worked during college to pay for all of my own college education.
Did you play SEC football?
quote:No, but I was VP of my HS's Key Club, (affilliated with Kiwanis Club), ranked #1 KC in AL in service performance. I was also a Boys Club volunteer and "Big Brother" to a "less fortunate" boy.
Were your plans to go to the Peace Corps and work with the less fortunate when you were 18?
quote:Simple answers.
Simple questions.
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 7:51 am
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