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re: D1 recruiting dead period extended until January 1
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:19 am to meansonny
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:19 am to meansonny
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The issue with the early signing period is that the kid gives up his rights. Rights that might seem important after a coach or two leaves. Rights that might seem important after rosters change. Rights that might seem important after actually visiting campus. Rights that might actually seem important after an illness to a family member. I dont see the need by fans to rush kids (17 and 18) out of their rights. And pushing back the early signing period would probably hurt my team based upon the last couple of seasons.
Since early signing is OPTIONAL, there's truly no good valid reason to eliminate it.
If a kid's decision would change based on a campus visit or coaching change(s), he can and should visit before signing and/or wait until the later signing period, since almost all significant coaching changes are done by then.
You claim you're concerned about protecting his rights. But you want to eliminate one of his rights, the option to sign in Dec if he wants to.
A key reason the Dec signing period was created is to help prevent the use of "dirty" (unethical) tactics to covertly flip unsigned commits in Feb, leaving the blind-sided flip-from schools with little-to-no real opportunity to replace them.
Maybe it's not just coincidental that UGA and LSU fans are who's clamoring to eliminate Dec signings.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 9:23 am
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Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:15 am to meansonny
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My claim is that 17 and 18 year olds can be manipulated by professionals who recruit for a living.
As fans, we see recruiting every year by our coaches.
We forget that they are experts.
We forget that the kids and parents are usually going through this for the first time and learning the pitfalls and mistakes as they go.
I'm as libertarian as they come.
But when pitting a $5M per year coach and $10M per year staff with a $70M-$100M budget versus parents and "kids"... I'm siding that the staffs are at the advantage in the equation.
The advent of free agency makes the LOI less important. I recognize that im shaking my fist at clouds from years ago. But the truth is that "free agency" is still only at the discretion of the coaches, ncaa, and conference.
I'd ask how quick you freely give up your rights. But you are probably to type to sign terms and agreements with Facebook,Twitter, tic tock, and google without reading what you are signing. Would you do the same at a used car dealership? Because some coaches are on that scale of professionalism.
You're foolish to think you're educating me. I learned before you were probably born to not blindly trust any individuals or organizations. However, what you just described about recruiting actually supports the need for the option to sign in Dec instead of any need to eliminate that option.This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 7:56 am
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:43 am to TidalSurge1
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However, what you just described about recruiting actually supports the need for the option to sign in Dec instead of any need to eliminate that option.
Agree to disagree.
I wouldn't expect a different response from a Bama fan. OCs and DCs revolving in and out. Nothing helps the program more than locking recruits in before the coaching silly season (which continues after the Super Bowl).
(FWIW, UGA has 2 DCs and 3 OCs the past 4+ seasons. Hell, our 2016 class was recruited by a 4th and 5th OC dating back to their junior years in HS. We arent much different).
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:00 am to meansonny
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Agree to disagree.
Done.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 11:27 am to TidalSurge1
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No, but I was actively recruited by D1 schools including SEC until I suffered a career-ending neck injury during my senior HS season.
Sorry to hear that. That's tough. I hope you are doign okay now.
quote:Absolutely. I'm sure that some kid somewhere might have died that year as most years a kid breaks a neck or something happens on the field. I'm sure that made you feel much better, right?
Adversity happens.
I am willing to bet that you were frustrated and maybe angry about your bad break. It would be hard no to. but that is my whole point.
quote:I did a lot of stuff like that when I was in HS, too, but if I were to be totally honest I really didn't care about the people. I did it to keep busy, as a whole.
No, but I was VP of my HS's Key Club, (affilliated with Kiwanis Club), ranked #1 KC IN AL in service performance. I was also a Boys Club volunteer and "Big Brother" to a "less fortunate" boy.
Most 18 year olds are pretty self absorbed....or maybe it is just me? Maybe. But I have known tons of HS kids since and the vast majority of teenagers are pretty self absorbed. if you were the exception to the rule, then that's great. Just know that you were the exception to the rule, and a lot of the kids will not be happy with the way things have turned out this year.
Crap. I know some adults who are acting like children over being sequestered.
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Let me clarify something. I do agree with you about Covid and the destruction that has happened, and thta kids should look at that and understand the situation. Believe me. As an adult, I understand and agree. My point was that a lot of kids simply are not mature enough to understand this and will not be happy.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 11:33 am
Posted on 9/18/20 at 12:10 pm to DawgsLife
Kid's need some good caring guidance to help them navigate the recruiting process well. I was blessed to have wise parents, grandparents and coaches who were very good mentors and role models. Thanks to them, I've been able to overcome some tough aversity in my lifetime. Being that young boy's "Big Brother" was an important way for me to repay that forward. I didn't do it to keep busy. I loved doing it. He grew up living alone with his single mom in a project. They were both so grateful I cared and helped. I also inspired and helped other single moms there to find Big Brothers for their young sons. My LB worked hard to pay his own way through college at a local HBCU. I was so proud of him!
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:33 pm to TidalSurge1
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I loved doing it.
That's outstanding. Fwiw, I did some stuff while in HS, and I enjoyed doing it with friends and stuff, I didn't really do it to help. I'm not sure if that makes sense. And if I am in need, I don't care why people do it, as long as they do something. Looking back, I just wish I had the same outlook etc I have now.
I am very involved at my church, and we feed the homeless several times a year, and do stuff for a Firehouse once a month. We have done stuff as little as making them deserts to eat up to buying them all Memory Foam mattresses. the county provided just "baby crib" type mattresses.....soft foam covered with plastic. Now I do stuff because I want to and enjoy it....similar to you, I guess.
Good for you for paying it forward! We need more people like you, willing to make a difference.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 1:50 pm to DawgsLife
Unfortunately many people nowadays don't care about helping others who need it. Sometimes it doesn't take much time, money or effort at all to make a big difference for someone else. For example: There's a guy who lost his job due to the pandemic now living in an old van owned by and parked (dead battery) at the church behind my condo. He couldn't get unemployment aid, because his old job was paying him cash under the table. The local rescue mission turned him away because he has a felony on his record. I've given him some much-needed food and gotten neighbors to do the same. I also suggested to the guy who maintains the landscaping at my condo complex to maybe hire him and he did. He picks him up in his truck every morning. Soon he'll have enough money saved to get a roof over his head. Another example: I'm retired and a pretty good handyman, so I help my neighbors who aren't handy by doing repairs and projects for them a lot quicker and cheaper than pros. I usually do minor quick/easy repairs for free.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 2:53 pm to TidalSurge1
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'm retired and a pretty good handyman, so I help my neighbors who aren't handy by doing repairs and projects for them a lot quicker and cheaper than pros. I usually do minor quick/easy repairs for free.
I can't imagine why anyone would downvote your post.
I have to say that I am retired, too....but I am not handy. At all. I do try to help when possible, though.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 3:34 pm to DawgsLife
It wasn't my goal to toot my own horn or derail this thread, but maybe someone thinks I aimed to. I thought you might be retired too, since you post here a lot. I'm gonna see myself out to let folks get back to their noble complaining about the evils of the extended dead period and the early signing period option they don't want any recruits to have.
This post was edited on 9/21/20 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 9/18/20 at 4:13 pm to TidalSurge1
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It wasn't my goal to toot my own horn, but maybe someone thinks I aimed to. I thought you might be retired too, since you post here a lot. I'm gonna see myself out to let folks get back to their noble complaining about the evils of the extended dead period and the early signing period option they don't want recruits to have.
As for the thread...I really don't care one way or the other. I definitely have opinions about stuff (And I am more than willing to share them to whoever will listen) but ti is not a big deal to me. I just take it as something new and watch/follow recruiting. It makes things interesting.
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