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re: Cam Robinson. Does he have a leader?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:52 pm to Garfield
Posted on 7/30/13 at 9:52 pm to Garfield
At some point it also has to weigh on Cam that Bama's last three full-time LT's (Jones played there a season) all went in the first round under Saban.
It has been a long time since LSU had a LT drafted in the first round.
Eta: This is probably the only reason LF hasn't already committed to LSU (i.e., recent draft position of Bama rbs compared to LSU rbs).
At some point you have to think about what is best for you and your family, not what those around you selfishly want you to do (lobsters always pull each other back into the pot).
It has been a long time since LSU had a LT drafted in the first round.
Eta: This is probably the only reason LF hasn't already committed to LSU (i.e., recent draft position of Bama rbs compared to LSU rbs).
At some point you have to think about what is best for you and your family, not what those around you selfishly want you to do (lobsters always pull each other back into the pot).
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 9:55 pm
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:06 pm to Garfield
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At some point it also has to weigh on Cam that Bama's last three full-time LT's (Jones played there a season) all went in the first round under Saban.
Yet they have 0 left tackles starting in the NFL. All of them got moved to RT or Guard and needed several more years of developing. Jones went in the 4th round, even though he's one of the most accomplished linemen ever in college football.
Warmack will be really impressive. Fluker might get moved to guard. He could be a great pro guard.
If Robinson really wants the best O line coach in the country he should go to UNC. That guy is easily the best with Stoutland gone. Second place would go to Okie St's O line coach.
Cristobal would be way below Stud/Miles. Who have actually gotten some linemen drafted. While Cristobal had none coaching linemen at Rutgers, Miami, and FIU. Three solid schools and still had zero drafted.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:08 pm to Garfield
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This is probably the only reason LF hasn't already committed to LSU
The reason LF hasn't committed to LSU is because he's announcing on January 5th at the UnderArmour game. He'll commit to LSU at that time.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:33 pm to whodidthat
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Yet they have 0 left tackles starting in the NFL.
All these kids care about is where they get drafted. Honestly, it is all they should care about too, because the average career is like 3 years. Gotta get paid with your first contract because most don't get a second.
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Cristobal would be way below Stud/Miles
First, I don't know of a single LSU offensive lineman that has been coveted by NFL scouts in quite some time.
Second, Bama has shown with multiple OL coaches that it doesn't matter who the coach is, it's Saban's system of player development (same for rbs) that gets these guys drafted in the first round so they can take care of themselves and their family.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:00 pm to whodidthat
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Cristobal would be way below Stud/Miles. Who have actually gotten some linemen drafted. While Cristobal had none coaching linemen at Rutgers, Miami, and FIU. Three solid schools and still had zero drafted.
This has become a very popular LSU fan talking point but what about Jason Fox? Started for Miami in '06 when Mario was OL coach and went on to be drafted in the 4th round
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:14 pm to whodidthat
Wow really?
Coaches don't play nearly as much into this decision as anyone thinks
Mario will do just fine at Bama, the level of talent is ridiculously high, Pendry and Stout both weren't the best looking candidates coming in IMHO when Saban hired them, in fact I would argue that Mario has the most impressive résumé
Yet both Stout and Pendry put guys in the NFL at every OL position
Nice try though
Coaches don't play nearly as much into this decision as anyone thinks
Mario will do just fine at Bama, the level of talent is ridiculously high, Pendry and Stout both weren't the best looking candidates coming in IMHO when Saban hired them, in fact I would argue that Mario has the most impressive résumé
Yet both Stout and Pendry put guys in the NFL at every OL position
Nice try though
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:47 pm to BuccWildBammer
Under Les Miles, LSU has only had 3 OL drafted.
Andrew Whitworth(who was a returning starter in Miles' 1st year)
Herman Johnson
Joseph Barksdale
Under Les Miles, OSU had zero OL drafted.
Greg Studrawa at Bowling Green had 1 OL drafted in his tenture there as OL/OC, Scott Mruczkowski(7th Rd). He had no OL drafted as OL coach at Arkansas State. Those are the only other schools he held the title of OL coach.
Andrew Whitworth(who was a returning starter in Miles' 1st year)
Herman Johnson
Joseph Barksdale
Under Les Miles, OSU had zero OL drafted.
Greg Studrawa at Bowling Green had 1 OL drafted in his tenture there as OL/OC, Scott Mruczkowski(7th Rd). He had no OL drafted as OL coach at Arkansas State. Those are the only other schools he held the title of OL coach.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:48 pm to MagillaGuerilla
But Cam and Lael tho
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:49 pm to DMagic
Lael grabbed our OT's nuts in a playoff game once and said, "Boy, you my bitch tonight." Our OT shed tears.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:50 pm to MagillaGuerilla
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:50 pm to NIH
Jesus. Les tends to attract sexual deviants it seems.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:00 am to DMagic
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:04 am to c on z
Don't blame me blame your amoral coach
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:17 am to DMagic
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DMagic
Everything going as planned??
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:19 am to Scatmanjohn12
Do I really look like a guy with a plan? I'm just a dog chasing cars.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:21 am to MagillaGuerilla
LSU really hasn't recruited well at Oline. But that has changed the last few years. Collins is also a 1-2 rounder
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:23 am to sarc
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Jason Fox? Started for Miami in '06 when Mario was OL coach and went on to be drafted in the 4th round
Played for Cristobal for one year and was drafted a couple seasons after cristobal was gone. Yeah I'm sure he helped him big time in that one year. His NFL career has been fairly shitty.
Little side fact you should know. Jeff Stoutland was Fox's coach since 2007 and the year he got drafted. I'm pretty sure he was responsible for developing Fox. Now Stoutland is in Philly.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:34 am to Garfield
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All these kids care about is where they get drafted. Honestly, it is all they should care about too, because the average career is like 3 years. Gotta get paid with your first contract because most don't get a second.
So much stupidity in that post. The average career for star players like these should be more than 3 years. They would be pissed if their career was that short. Draft placement is not more important than a long career. Especially since the second contact is what players are mostly after. Not the first. If they don't perform they don't get paid what they want. Andre Smith had a great season and still not many teams reached out to sign him. Especially for the money he was asking for. Because he hasn't produced at a 1st round level.
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First, I don't know of a single LSU offensive lineman that has been coveted by NFL scouts in quite some time.
Yet Faulk was rated 1st-2nd round. Hurst 3-4, and even Williford had a 4th-5th round grade.
Now we have 3 linemen rated in the top 3-5 for their positions. Collins, Turner, and Alexander. All three have 1st-3rd round grades and only one has a full year of experience. Pretty good spot for young players.
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it's Saban's system of player development
Like he coaches the offensive linemen. Brilliant. How about you check out Pendry and Stoutlands careers. They have decades of experience and success at coaching offensive linemen. Did Saban teach them everything they know, even before he hired them? Posted on 7/31/13 at 12:39 am to BuccWildBammer
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Yet both Stout and Pendry put guys in the NFL at every OL position
They also did that before getting to Bama. Cristobal hasn't. Even though he had solid talent at Rutgers, Miami, and FIU.
You really are an idiot for comparing Pendry and Stoutland's careers. They didn't seem like great hires to y'all, but they had great careers coaching offensive linemen. Your current coach has not.
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Nice try though
This coming from a guy who blames the Saints for Ingram's shitty career.
Posted on 7/31/13 at 1:00 am to whodidthat
I expect Ingram to have a breakout season this yr fwiw 
lol
Stout had badly underdeveloped the talent he seemed to have at Miami and Pendry had a lot of NFL success but also a lot of failure
Mario isn't gonna be as bad an OL coach as LSU fans think
I guess I respect him being a HC more than Pendry allowing the record for sacks on poor David Carr as the OL coach at Houston
lol Stout had badly underdeveloped the talent he seemed to have at Miami and Pendry had a lot of NFL success but also a lot of failure
Mario isn't gonna be as bad an OL coach as LSU fans think
I guess I respect him being a HC more than Pendry allowing the record for sacks on poor David Carr as the OL coach at Houston
This post was edited on 7/31/13 at 1:01 am
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