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Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:48 am to RedFive
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:48 am to RedFive
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Have you read your own forum lately? Georgia is trying to build something so yeah it’s important but for it to be so trivial it sure does get talked about a lot on the Alabama board.
Yes I have and would say that the majority of the talk is more about your fans not what you are doing on the recruiting trail. Most UA fans think Smart is doing a good job and most expect it but it is the UGA fans that act like the lottery winner that have never been here before and that the program has no history of being relevant.
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Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:49 am to TideWarrior
I would agree with you if we are strictly speaking about 1 year...however....sustained top recruiting classes do win championships ..especially at the level Bama has recruited....there may be more parity throughout all teams but far less parity between the top and everyone else...this has been evident by just watching the athletes Bama has fielded for many years now...the game of college football has changed and will continue to change...it is becoming less about coaching and team play and more about who has the most loaded roster..jmho
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:50 am to Crowknowsbest
Smart has put UGA in contention and on par with a program that could win a title every few years and not just every 10 years or so. He still has to prove he can win the big game and coach in that moment.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:55 am to TideWarrior
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Yes I have and would say that the majority of the talk is more about your fans not what you are doing on the recruiting trail. Most UA fans think Smart is doing a good job and most expect it but it is the UGA fans that act like the lottery winner that have never been here before and that the program has no history of being relevant
It kinda is like winning the lottery. How many times has another school pulled a 5 star lineman out of Alabama in recent history presuming we do today?
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:56 am to redandblackattack
Yes but Saban has been recruiting at this level for what 12 years now at UA. He has won 5 titles in those 12 years. So almost 1 title every 2 years. But that is Saban and yes it has a lot to do with coaching on the field. Evident by the last two times we matched up with UGA. Last year in the NC I would say UGA not only outplayed us for the majority of the game but had the better roster. This year the same for play but roster was more even. But it was coaching that won and lost the game. That is what separates Saban from the rest.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 9:57 am to RedFive
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How many times has another school pulled a 5 star lineman out of Alabama in recent history presuming we do today?
I can't think of a lineman, but Florida State pulled a 5-star QB out of Alabama back in 2012. Now they did win a national title out of it, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Alabama has been just fine since missing out on him.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:01 am to RedFive
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It kinda is like winning the lottery. How many times has another school pulled a 5 star lineman out of Alabama in recent history presuming we do today?
To be honest regarding a OL not sure. And considering UA's history of putting OL into the NFL a great pickup for UGA.
The difference at this level of recruiting is that a player like Webb or even Sanders is not must have. Just a great addition because you are recruiting several players just as good at each of those positions with the understanding you will miss on more then you get in the end.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 10:18 am to TideWarrior
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To be honest regarding a OL not sure. And considering UA's history of putting OL into the NFL a great pickup for UGA.
The difference at this level of recruiting is that a player like Webb or even Sanders is not must have. Just a great addition because you are recruiting several players just as good at each of those positions with the understanding you will miss on more then you get in the end.
Admittly being successful at recruiting is a new feeling for me as a Dawg fan. I can’t speak for the other fans but even though our staff does a really good job when we pull a big recruit some of us may over react a little bit. If it comes from me it’s completely unintentional.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:16 am to RedFive
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Admittly being successful at recruiting is a new feeling for me as a Dawg fan. I can’t speak for the other fans but even though our staff does a really good job when we pull a big recruit some of us may over react a little bit. If it comes from me it’s completely unintentional.
It feels good to land top recruits and understand the excitement but a few seem to go over the top. To build a great program it does start with roster management and definitely helps pulling in top tier kids. Kirby understands this as well.
In the end though the more successful on the recruiting recruiting I feel helps UA more then it hurts us. UA will get mostly who they want even with all the misses but with UGA getting to that level in recruiting only hinders other programs in the SEC. So keep up the good work.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:26 am to TideWarrior
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The difference at this level of recruiting is that a player like Webb or even Sanders is not must have. Just a great addition because you are recruiting several players just as good at each of those positions with the understanding you will miss on more then you get in the end.
This is partially true IMO. It seems the difference between "good" and "great" teams are based on quantity/depth of non-skill positions and the quality of skill positions. Which effectively means that you need to stock pile good talent and develop the OL/DL/LBs , but you NEED the stars for skill players to win a NC. So while getting Webb is great and having him will keep us top 10 in NCAA, we need to continue finding the star/game-breaking skill players to get us to NC status.
But to your point, Sanders may be that star/game breaker, but we've both found diamonds that aren't 5 stars. Gurley and Chubb at this point in the recruiting cycle were both 4 stars as an example.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 11:29 am
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:35 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
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but we've both found diamonds that aren't 5 stars. Gurley and Chubb at this point in the recruiting cycle were both 4 stars as an example.
Nick Chubb ended up as a 5* on 247, and Todd was a top 100 player. It's not like they were 3*s like Josh Jacobs.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:38 am to Dawgsontop34
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Gurley and Chubb at this point in the recruiting cycle were both 4 stars as an example.
Chubb ended up there, but not at this point in the cycle. And Todd was top 100 but much closer to NSD. But your point on Josh Jacobs reaffirms my thought, great players are out there that aren't 5 stars, but the margin for error on finding the next star of CFB is much smaller for those skill players that are highly rated.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:39 am to TideWarrior
Nope...but what should scare you is the fact that UGA had the youngest team in the SEC and kicked Bama up and down the field with their best team in their history.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:42 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
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Chubb ended up there, but not at this point in the cycle. And Todd was top 100 but much closer to NSD. But your point on Josh Jacobs reaffirms my thought, great players are out there that aren't 5 stars, but the margin for error on finding the next star of CFB is much smaller for those skill players that are highly rated.
Completely agree. It's always hilarious when people point out the successful 3*s as reasons why the star system is overrated. Obviously some recruits aren't rated correctly, and development is huge, but statistically more 5*s go to the NFL, than 4*s, more high 4*s go to the NFL than low 4*s, etc.
There are just more 3*s out there so of course some are bound to succeed.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:43 am to TideWarrior
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In the end though the more successful on the recruiting recruiting I feel helps UA more then it hurts us. UA will get mostly who they want even with all the misses but with UGA getting to that level in recruiting only hinders other programs in the SEC. So keep up the good work.
Sort of.
UGA high level recruiting isn't necessarily at the expense of Bama who is still getting their fair share,but our success is more to the detriment of Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, and eventually Clemson I think. The schools that were cherry picking guys from state of Georgia can't pick as high up on the tree anymore.
This post was edited on 12/10/18 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:46 am to deeprig9
If you go look at overall class scores for the past ten years, you will see that there is increased consolidation of talent at the top.
5 years ago, a 300 point 247 composite class would threaten for number 1. These days, bama, UGA, and Ohio state are regularly cracking 315-320.
The rich get richer, and thankfully, UGA became new money in time to be a part of that top cluster.
5 years ago, a 300 point 247 composite class would threaten for number 1. These days, bama, UGA, and Ohio state are regularly cracking 315-320.
The rich get richer, and thankfully, UGA became new money in time to be a part of that top cluster.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:47 am to GregYoureMyBoyBlue
That is the key to success I believe is creating that depth in the trenches on both sides of the ball 1st.
Completely agree because Marshall was ranked ahead of Gurley but I had seen them both and knew Gurley by far was a better RB
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Gurley and Chubb at this point in the recruiting cycle were both 4 stars as an example.
Completely agree because Marshall was ranked ahead of Gurley but I had seen them both and knew Gurley by far was a better RB
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:49 am to Dawg4Life47
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Nope...but what should scare you is the fact that UGA had the youngest team in the SEC and kicked Bama up and down the field with their best team in their history.
The fact we outscored you 21-0 and outgained you 263-113 to finish the game says Bama dominated UGA when the game was on the line. Congrats on the fast start though.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:49 am to TideWarrior
Now, that's just stupid...you were lucky to get it this year and it will be your last.
Posted on 12/10/18 at 11:50 am to deeprig9
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UGA high level recruiting isn't necessarily at the expense of Bama who is still getting their fair share,but our success is more to the detriment of Auburn, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee, and eventually Clemson I think. The schools that were cherry picking guys from state of Georgia can't pick as up up on the tree anymore.
This is what I mean. Other programs seem to have benefited more then UA in the state of GA. Also UGA can go into those surrounding states and grab up recruits.
I think with the success Smart is having and UGA combined with Mack Brown now at UNC is going to hurt CU down the road.
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