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re: 247's Best Damn Recruiting Staffs, Period.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:42 am to NFLU
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:42 am to NFLU
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Let me know when South Carolina finishes ahead of LSU in the recruiting rankings.
Hasn't happened in a while. However, we're ahead of y'all right now.
https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/TeamRankings
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Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:43 am to Kneehigh
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You're such a shitty poster...
I posted info from another source and about their perspective. Get over yourself.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 12:58 pm to CockInYourEar
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Not really. Then they couldn't have Alabama at #1 on this list either. They have a bunch of new coaches as well.
Three isn't a entire new staff.
Posted on 4/10/16 at 10:56 pm to CockInYourEar
Probably because LSU has 4 commits and it's April, you idiot.
Kentucky is also out-recruiting everyone in the SEC not named Alabama.
Kentucky is also out-recruiting everyone in the SEC not named Alabama.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 4:53 am to ConwayGamecock
Why are you guys so high on Jake Bentley? I guess he did get the 4* rating, which is pretty good. It just didn't seem like Bama and Au showed him as much love as you guys did (not that it would matter with his dad on staff, I'm sure). You guys rave about him, yet he's from my own state and I've never really heard him described as a top national QB, and I follow recruiting intensely. He may yet turn out to be one, but I think you might should take the conservative approach on pumping up QB commitments. I'd say that even if he were a consensus 5*. It's an extremely tough position to evaluate.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 7:03 am to Bama3714
Bentley is who I wanted Alabama to push hard for after Mills chose Stanford.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 2:54 pm to Bama3714
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It's an extremely tough position to evaluate.
This. Every situation is different as well. FWIW, I think he'll be pretty good, but I think it was a mistake for him to join the team for the 2016 season. With McIlwain seemingly taking the reins this year, it's highly unlikely he'll compete for the job this year, so a redshirt is most likely. Then he'll find himself stuck behind in experience over the next couple of seasons as well. Not that injuries and/or poor performance can't change that, but I see it being a struggle to differentiate himself.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:21 pm to CockInYourEar
Alabama is definitely #1. They have recruiters of the year on their fricking support staff for god's sake
After that, I think it gets murkier. If you look at the staffs of those teams, I think any of that post-Bama 10 has an argument to be #2. I do think LSU is low. It seems they valued Kevin Steele a lot and consider to Aranda to be a big recruiting downgrade from him, and he probably is, but Aranda is also going to be working with a much bigger brand name in his new role. But, with the uncertainty, there is room for doubt in that position. Besides Aranda though, LSU is loaded with great recruiters. Raymond is the best secondary recruiter in the country. Craig is top 5 at his spot. Juluke is going to be huge in New Orleans. Orgeron is known for his recruiting prowess. Grimes is a known recruiter as well. The "weaknesses" of LSU's staff are in Ensminger, Cameron, and Aranda and 2 of those three pulled in at least 1 top 100 prospect as recently as last year.
Miles is also pretty damn solid too.
I say this with my only substantial knowledge being about LSU, because that's my team, but I just can't imagine there are 6 better staffs than that. I'm sure I could be wrong, it just seems crazy to me.
Being that Barton found a way to rank them higher, I guess it speaks to those teams' recruiting prowess because when I think of what LSU has, they must be impressive to be ranked where they are.
That being said, I'm sure a legitimate argument can be made for any of the 2-11 crowd to be higher and I'm sure it's right. It just shows how much of a Jimmies and Joes game college ball has become, I guess.
After that, I think it gets murkier. If you look at the staffs of those teams, I think any of that post-Bama 10 has an argument to be #2. I do think LSU is low. It seems they valued Kevin Steele a lot and consider to Aranda to be a big recruiting downgrade from him, and he probably is, but Aranda is also going to be working with a much bigger brand name in his new role. But, with the uncertainty, there is room for doubt in that position. Besides Aranda though, LSU is loaded with great recruiters. Raymond is the best secondary recruiter in the country. Craig is top 5 at his spot. Juluke is going to be huge in New Orleans. Orgeron is known for his recruiting prowess. Grimes is a known recruiter as well. The "weaknesses" of LSU's staff are in Ensminger, Cameron, and Aranda and 2 of those three pulled in at least 1 top 100 prospect as recently as last year.
Miles is also pretty damn solid too.
I say this with my only substantial knowledge being about LSU, because that's my team, but I just can't imagine there are 6 better staffs than that. I'm sure I could be wrong, it just seems crazy to me.
Being that Barton found a way to rank them higher, I guess it speaks to those teams' recruiting prowess because when I think of what LSU has, they must be impressive to be ranked where they are.
That being said, I'm sure a legitimate argument can be made for any of the 2-11 crowd to be higher and I'm sure it's right. It just shows how much of a Jimmies and Joes game college ball has become, I guess.
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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:44 pm to CockInYourEar
List is shite. Ole miss is number 2 or bust.
Posted on 4/11/16 at 4:10 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Really? I don't think he would have been in the top 5 on my list. Like I say, he may wind up being good, but I just never saw greatness or even "very-goodness' in him.
I still think we have a pretty good shot to flip Mills if we push for it.
I still think we have a pretty good shot to flip Mills if we push for it.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 10:36 am to Bama3714
I'll be happy with the kid from Brantley is this class. More worried about keeping Jack West in the 2018 class.
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 7:16 pm to CockInYourEar
Keep in mind this is their rankings before they got to SC. Very good chance they drop off big time.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:36 pm to CockInYourEar
USCe's 2017 class is ranked #16 right now. And they have your recruiting staff ranked #2.
I guess they feel if USCe's recruiting staff can get USCe's class ranked somewhere in the top 20 it is miracle work worthy of the #2 recruiting staff ranking.
Can't really argue with that.
I guess they feel if USCe's recruiting staff can get USCe's class ranked somewhere in the top 20 it is miracle work worthy of the #2 recruiting staff ranking.
Can't really argue with that.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 9:39 am to GoldenDawg
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USCe's 2017 class is ranked #16 right now. And they have your recruiting staff ranked #2.
I guess they feel if USCe's recruiting staff can get USCe's class ranked somewhere in the top 20 it is miracle work worthy of the #2 recruiting staff ranking.
Can't really argue with that.
Think of it this way, our staff has been here 4 months or less and this class is already Top20. They're recruiting against several staffs who have been together over a year (and these other coaches who have been on these 2017 prospects for their particular school for over a year.)
When our new staff took over, our '16 class was ranked in the mid-70's, and now the '16 class is #24. In 2 months, we jumped 50 spots in the rankings.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:23 pm to CockInYourEar
I do believe the talent level will definitely be better in the next 3-4 years. SC owned the state for a 5 year period. You're already seeing a slight shift in power in favor of SC over Clemson (In our state). The question now becomes, can you reach into other states not named SC and Georgia. Clemson has seemed to extended itself nationwide instead of focusing on bordering states.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 7:23 am to CockInYourEar
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Think of it this way, our staff has been here 4 months or less and this class is already Top20. They're recruiting against several staffs who have been together over a year (and these other coaches who have been on these 2017 prospects for their particular school for over a year.)
When our new staff took over, our '16 class was ranked in the mid-70's, and now the '16 class is #24. In 2 months, we jumped 50 spots in the rankings.
You’re missing the most important element. For the 2016 class, SCAR took 27 players, average star was 86.20, which would rank 12th in the SEC. It’s a weighting system, the more you take the higher your ranking.
As for the 2017, I don’t know much about the players committed to be honest. I’m just using the 247 point system, but this class with less players (7) is already rated lower than the 2016 class. I don’t think you can say the SCAR staff is doing an excellent job in 4 months vs. other programs.
I’m just adding perspective here.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 8:16 am to Glory, Glory
Just a few things, #1 your stance on avg recruit rank is valid. However if we go by overall rank we got 9th if we go by average recruit rank we got 10th in front of Arky(86.12), UK(85.27), Mizzou(84.39) and Vandy(83.57). Granted that isn't great but looking at where we were vs where we ended up in 2 months was pretty successful. Also, because there was only 2 months, they were limited to who they could even realistically go after. With so little time for OV's, it's difficult to flip players. However, probably the most overlooked part of the recruiting so far is simply getting footholds in the major instate programs as well as high schools in the Charlotte area. We took guys that, while they could pan out, at the very least leave a good impression on the instate programs going forward and add depth to the present roster.
As far as 2017 is concerned, having Bentley go to 2016 hurt that Avg rating, however we have probably 4-5 blue chips both in state and in Charlotte that we have a huge lead for that have yet to commit. Also, as we all know star ratings change. We have seen first hand in the short time that the staff has been here that they are pretty good evaluators. Rico Dowdle is coming in this year and could potentially start as RB1. Dowdle was rated a 2 star by Rivals when we offered and by the time NSD came around Rivals bumped him to 3 stars, 247 gave him 4 stars, and he was named a Parade All American.
It will take a couple of years to build some excitement around our program but it will absolutely get there.
As far as 2017 is concerned, having Bentley go to 2016 hurt that Avg rating, however we have probably 4-5 blue chips both in state and in Charlotte that we have a huge lead for that have yet to commit. Also, as we all know star ratings change. We have seen first hand in the short time that the staff has been here that they are pretty good evaluators. Rico Dowdle is coming in this year and could potentially start as RB1. Dowdle was rated a 2 star by Rivals when we offered and by the time NSD came around Rivals bumped him to 3 stars, 247 gave him 4 stars, and he was named a Parade All American.
It will take a couple of years to build some excitement around our program but it will absolutely get there.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 9:15 am to Glory, Glory
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You’re missing the most important element. For the 2016 class, SCAR took 27 players, average star was 86.20, which would rank 12th in the SEC. It’s a weighting system, the more you take the higher your ranking.
As for the 2017, I don’t know much about the players committed to be honest. I’m just using the 247 point system, but this class with less players (7) is already rated lower than the 2016 class. I don’t think you can say the SCAR staff is doing an excellent job in 4 months vs. other programs.
I’m just adding perspective here.
That's fine, but I disagree with all of it. These sites use the team rankings and really only count the top 20-ish players anyway. 247 has a link to their calculation for the team rankings that I've seen before. We took 27 players, but we were held to the same grading scale that everyone else is for the class ranking. So the point about out coaches making up that much ground in that short amount of time is completely valid.
Our 2017 class is currently ranked higher than the 2017 class, with fewer players, b/c of the time of year. Not many teams have 20 or even 15 players committed right now. These 2017 rankings will change, but I can already predict that we'll finish higher than last year. Our coaches have been on the job for 4 months and are recruiting against some coaches who have been recruiting the same players to their school for years. We'll win some of those recruiting battles, we'll lose some of those battles, but right now our recruiting is on point and it's a testament to how well these coaches perform as recruiters.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 11:44 am to GameCocky88
I'm not arguing against the current staff. Anyone that argues against these guys as recruiters is flat out wrong. They are proven.
From an outsider perspective, I think the 2017 will be good not great. I'm speculating because it's very early in this cycle. Where I think SCAR should be excited is 2018. The state is loaded and the Gamecocks have positioned themselves nicely early on. I just don't think you can draw any conclusions on a staff in 4 months.
From an outsider perspective, I think the 2017 will be good not great. I'm speculating because it's very early in this cycle. Where I think SCAR should be excited is 2018. The state is loaded and the Gamecocks have positioned themselves nicely early on. I just don't think you can draw any conclusions on a staff in 4 months.
Posted on 4/14/16 at 12:17 pm to Glory, Glory
Oh absolutely. The 2018 class should be a lot better than 2017. However, due to the likely attrition that will occur our class size this cycle will be fairly large as well leaving us with a similar look as 2016. That being said, I think our overall rating will also go up in 2017 from where we ended 2016. Top 15-20 in 2017.
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