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re: You ain't Just'a Whistling Dixie
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:30 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 5/6/23 at 11:30 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Herman has the best words
Harry has the best music
I’m blessed to have both in my life
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Posted on 5/7/23 at 1:24 am to Harry Rex Vonner
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you fricking 5'4 135 pound psycho pussy racist fig
You are such a triggered queef of a human
Edit: to not bump your slaw arse thread... dead on page 3
This post was edited on 5/7/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 5/7/23 at 3:56 am to Harry Rex Vonner
I know Howard and David. My dad was friends with Howard and I went to school with David's son. Good people sing Dixie bitches
Posted on 5/7/23 at 7:56 am to OliverQueen81
Oh, I'm a good old rebel
Now thats just what I am
And for this yankee nation
I do no give a damn
I'm glad I fought against her
I only wish we'd won
I ain't asked any pardon
For anything I've done
I hates the Yankee nation
And eveything they do
I hates the declaration
Of independence too
I hates the glorious union
'Tis dripping with our blood
I hates the striped banner
And fought it all I could
I rode with Robert E. Lee
For three years there about
Got wounded in four places
And I starved at Point Lookout
I caught the rheumatism
Campin' in the snow
But I killed a chance of Yankees
And I'd like to kill some more
Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in southern dust
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us
They died of southern fever
And southern steel and shot
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got
I can't take up my musket
And fight 'em down no more
But I ain't a-goin' to love them
Now that is certain sure
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am
I won't be reconstructed
And I do not give a damn
Oh, I'm a good old rebel
Now that's just what I am
And for this Yankee nation
I do no give a damn
I'm glad I fought against her
I only wish we'd won
I ain't asked any pardon
For anything I've done
I ain't asked any pardon
For anything I've done...
Posted on 5/7/23 at 7:57 am to Che Boludo
quote:The first legal slave owner in America was black. FACT !
But, no matter where one stood on pro or anti-slavery in the North or the South.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:01 am to deltaland
Lee was 10 times the strategist Grant was. He just lacked the sheer number of soldiers.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:14 am to dchog
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What I don't understand is why couldn't the United States Government help the south become more economically sound where it could be easier for them to phase out slavery?
The standard method of ending slavery in Europe was reparations to the slave owners. The government would simply buy the slaves freedom at a set price with the expectation that the money would be used to transition away from slavery. The money would be used to pay wages, buy equipment, allow the slave holder to not be ruined by the loss of labor.
That was never on the table in the US, the closest we came was when the UCS purchased and set up the country of Liberia. That is also we’re the 40 acres and a mule idea came from. The idea being to to repatriate former slaves to Liberia under a Christian government to help them. The official language of Liberia is English, the Motto is “The Love of Liberty Brought Us Here”, the country’s religion is Christianity, they use the bicameral government with a House of Representatives and senate, I believe they use empirical measurements, and are considered the most effective of the US colonies.
But since the option of reparations was never on the table, and the civil war was never about slaves we as a country just muddled through. Just another example of the US being too cheap I guess.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:25 am to Che Boludo
Case could be made that in the industry north with shorter lifespans, massive pollution issues, quasi slavery of the company town/company store business model, that the southern white non slave holder was magnitudes better off than their white counterparts in the north. Remove infant mortality and the average poor southern lived to around 55 while his northern counterparts lived to the late 30s.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:49 am to Che Boludo
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For the elites, it was all economics. But, no matter where one stood on pro or anti-slavery in the North or the South. The majority historical opinion was that it was class based bias that led to racism. In large part, it was what led to the issues that permeated the Civil Rights Era and into today. There is a school of thought that had the War never occurred and the dying institution ran its course. All races would have assimilated together more smoothly. But, we do have a "don't tell us what to do attitude." The vast majority of Confederates were non-slave owners. That didn't mean they wouldn't have aspired to own slaves and ascend the social hierarchy a rung or two if given the opportunity. But, it was propaganda that the Union was impeding on Southern Rights that rallied the cause. The closer truth is that the poorest of the poor white Southerner could at least lay claim that they were White and not black or Indian, so they still held a hierarchical position over some. Those were all vestiges to the English colonial influence to which the Southerners were a stark reminder. British officer observers of the Civil War made such claims that the sense of honor, propriety and class in the South was very British in nature. It's easy to pick apart all the bad in where the Nation started, but the truth remains, the USA isn't the dominant power of the mid-to late 1900s and into today without that history.
Good, sane post baw
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:57 am to Numberwang
And...?
Posted on 5/7/23 at 8:59 am to MoarKilometers
Thanks for the bump fig Daniel
We are on our way to 6 pages
We are on our way to 6 pages
Posted on 5/7/23 at 9:46 am to Che Boludo
White northerners didn't like the idea of freed slaves going north because you guessed it they took er jobs!
When they freed the slaves in Phillips County Arkansas, the officers told them not to leave but stay put or else.
When they freed the slaves in Phillips County Arkansas, the officers told them not to leave but stay put or else.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 9:52 am to kajunman
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The first legal slave owner in America was black. FACT !
There were many free blacks in the New Orleans area that were slave owners.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:04 am to Harry Rex Vonner
It went three.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:05 am to Rohan Gravy
I heard the black slave owner with the most slaves was from South Carolina.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:09 am to LewDawg
Can somebody post Elvis, An American Trilogy.
One of my favorite live performances of all time.
Will bring tears to your eyes.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:15 am to Che Boludo
I have a friend who was a history major, and he made an interesting point one day that I think about a lot.
He compared the south’s reaction to the north’s demand that they outlaw slavery to the reaction people would have today if half the states decided that no one in the country would be allowed to use fossil fuels ever again due to climate change. Our entire economy and society relies on and revolves around using fossil fuels in some capacity, and has for nearly 100 years. Can you imagine how many people would rebel and want to fight a war if they woke up tomorrow and the government had banned anyone from using gasoline or plastic, and the economic catastrophe that would cause for huge swaths of the country?
Similar story with slavery in the south. The economy also relied on and revolved around slavery as we rely on fossil fuels today. The south could see the writing on the wall and knew this change would wreak havoc on nearly every aspect of daily life, which would take many decades to overcome.
This perspective really changed my view on how complicated and nuanced that time in our history was. It’s not as simple as “southerners were treasonous racists”.
He compared the south’s reaction to the north’s demand that they outlaw slavery to the reaction people would have today if half the states decided that no one in the country would be allowed to use fossil fuels ever again due to climate change. Our entire economy and society relies on and revolves around using fossil fuels in some capacity, and has for nearly 100 years. Can you imagine how many people would rebel and want to fight a war if they woke up tomorrow and the government had banned anyone from using gasoline or plastic, and the economic catastrophe that would cause for huge swaths of the country?
Similar story with slavery in the south. The economy also relied on and revolved around slavery as we rely on fossil fuels today. The south could see the writing on the wall and knew this change would wreak havoc on nearly every aspect of daily life, which would take many decades to overcome.
This perspective really changed my view on how complicated and nuanced that time in our history was. It’s not as simple as “southerners were treasonous racists”.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 10:34 am to LewDawg
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It went three.
Wonder why the dork said 6
Couldn't possibly be a reaction thread. I mean what would OP butthurt over?
Posted on 5/7/23 at 11:05 am to kajunman
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Lee was 10 times the strategist Grant was. He just lacked the sheer number of soldiers.
One could easily counter that Lee may have been more tactically proficient in the employment of force in a given battle, but it was Grant who was able to link tactical actions through a series of operations that achieved political ends, which is the essence of military strategy.
Posted on 5/7/23 at 5:50 pm to LewDawg
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It went three.
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